News: Engineering Windows 7

[ExtremePC]

Originally Posted by vlad

You should try 2008 server as workstation. It has Vista kernel but without backward compatibility garbage of Vista.

How much does server 2008 cost?

Never mind I found it here

At $1000 US you can keep it.

[vlad]

Originally Posted by ExtremePC

How much does server 2008 cost?

Never mind I found it here

At $1000 US you can keep it.

All I am trying to say that Vista kernel without backward compatibility is looking good.
So Windows 7 IMO.

[ExtremePC]

Originally Posted by vlad

All I am trying to say that Vista kernel without backward compatibility is looking good.
So Windows 7 IMO.

What is the hype about, I thought ALL kernels were able to do basically the same thing for decades. MS have just now decided to capitalise on

"wow look we can even have the kernel run on its own under 40MB, geee! arn't we good, but of course its never going to see the light of day outside MS because we're still going to stick mandatory packages around it like IE/explorer"

Had they come out with "during install you can choose whatever package combination you want to install on top of the kernel and none of it will force you to install two packages that have nothing to do with each other" ... that would be groundbreaking for MS anyway.

[slimf]

Originally Posted by arkay

Arch Linux.



Mythbuntu linux.



Wrong, wrong and .... wrong. There isn't a windows install in my house. Other than a vm image I use to run Quicken and a partition on my desktop I use rarely for a few games.

Anyway. That seems to have been covered above. Thanks guys.

Just because I've moved away doesn't mean I don't have a right to express my views about Windows. I still believe that Vista was/is a huge mistake and that MS have no accountability for that mistake, other than to go off and try and fix it with Windows 7 and then re-charge everyone for what they should have got for their money in Vista. Feel free to agree or not but when I BUY commercial software, I expect commercial grade, or my money back, or replacement of the faulty unit with a working one.

Cheers,

Arkay.

Hi Arkay, and others.

I think my comment about asking Arkay what he was doing in this forum was taken the wrong way - I wasnt trying to **** him off.

Sometimes whats written isnt always read as it was meant to sound. So for that I appolagise.

The point of my post, rather than to atack arkay, was to point out that since the dawn of the Windows operating system there has been a consistant collection of 'naysayers' whenever a new release of Windows has been announced/released and that much of this negativity surrounding the new release has been unjustified.

Arkay was the first to respond to Mikes post regarding the blog announcement - and to be fair it was fairly negative towards Microsoft and its software.

I don't agree with many users that Vista is a dud. Compared to previous versions of Windows its the best Windows by far.

Vista (just like XP does) operates quite well - it has no real serious flaws that prevent daily usage for weeks or months at a time. I use it 12 hours a day for business/productivity and it runs great. Its certainly fit for purpose and of a merchantable quality.

It has several new features over XP which some users may concider worthwhile spending money on to upgrade. Some users may not think they are worth the extra money.. MS isnt holding a gun to your head and telling you to upgrade - so dont.

Arkay seems to think Microsoft should give Windows 7 away for free.. Why? What is it exactly about Vista that makes it unfit to serve its purpose?

Windows 7 will be an incremental improvment over Vista and will contain several new features which again, some may feel are worth the money.. If not then dont buy it.. I really dont think there is any justafiable reason why Microsoft should be made to give it away for free. Vista just doesnt have problems big enough to make that happen.

By arkays own admission he doesnt use any Windows at home except in a VM for business/financial reasons. This would leave me to believe that his actual experience with Vista may actually be quite short. Perhaps im wrong - Im sure he will correct me. It may not be as good as all those Linux varients he runs, but its sure better than XP and that was really my point.

I paid the grand total of $239.00 for my copy of Vista Ultimate 64bit OEM. This is probably less than Arkay paid for his copy of Quickbooks. I think for that sort of money Vista is good value - especially compared to Windows XP Pro which currently sits at around the $179.00 mark for the OEM edition.

Anyway - im buggered - finsihed work at midnigh and its now way past 1am - im off to bed.

[vlad]

Originally Posted by slimf

but its sure better than XP and that was really my point.

How so? Just because you like it?
I am not so opposed to Windows as some bitter people here but Vista is really pushing it's luck.
XP was a brilliant product, and MS needed something to really outshine it. They did not.
Vista is remarkably stable platform, but slower then XP and still has huge network problems. MS is constantly introducing new OS'es where you have to upgrade hardware in order to run it. It is done on purpose and aimed at the consumer.
Now they are going to fix Vista kernel and sell W7 as a new OS.
It is just like pathetic Lucas re-releasing it's Star Wars on different media, because he does not know what else he can do but wants more money.

[blackjet]

Even Though its off topic to thread title.

Just thought I would add my 2c

Vista is a very stable system.
Xp crashed all the time
Linux to much Bs to get it running
XP MCE 2 days to get it right then keep your fingers crossed
VMC 2-3 hours then took it to my grandparents. No problems what so ever they love it
Mythtv gave up on it.

Blackjet

Thats Life!!!

[Mike]

Originally Posted by blackjet

Blackjet

Thats Life!!!

and just love the avatar!

[simbot82]

I think the issue I have is yes we don't have ot buy the new operating system, but rally we do as they stop supporitng it, updating it and force/pay incentives to companies/publishers to stop supporting it.

I am very unhappy I bought two copies of vista

[slimf]

Originally Posted by vlad

How so? Just because you like it?
I am not so opposed to Windows as some bitter people here but Vista is really pushing it's luck.
XP was a brilliant product, and MS needed something to really outshine it. They did not.
Vista is remarkably stable platform, but slower then XP and still has huge network problems. MS is constantly introducing new OS'es where you have to upgrade hardware in order to run it. It is done on purpose and aimed at the consumer.
Now they are going to fix Vista kernel and sell W7 as a new OS.
It is just like pathetic Lucas re-releasing it's Star Wars on different media, because he does not know what else he can do but wants more money.

What networking issues are you speaking of precisely vlad? Vista may have had network speed issues however these are long resolved. I run a gigabit network here to a multi terrabyte NAS and it networks just fine. If you could be specific on the issues you think Vista has perhaps I could help?

I would also like to comment on your claim that Microsoft is 'Constantly introducing new OS's where you have to upgrade new hardware in order to run it'....

Microsoft Introduced Windows XP in 2001 and Windows Vista in November of 2006. I hardly call this constant. Do you expect them to realease Vista for hardware designed in 2001 or 2006 or 2008 or when? Please clarify your position. Microsoft are in the business of selling Operating systems to customers. This requires them to come up with features that are compelling to customers. In reality this means they need to take advantage of current hardware to produce these features. I really cannot see any reason why they shouldnt take advantage of current hardware.

I would also like to know what exactly you think they are going to 'fix' in Vista's kernal and release as Windows 7? Be specific because im getting confused! I still cant figure out what is actually WRONG with Vista - It still hasnt crashed all this time Ive been writing this post :-)

[vlad]

Originally Posted by slimf

What networking issues are you speaking of precisely vlad? Vista may have had network speed issues however these are long resolved. I run a gigabit network here to a multi terrabyte NAS and it networks just fine. If you could be specific on the issues you think Vista has perhaps I could help?

When you are browsing remote folder (with SP1) and get a green bar going across the address window, it is well documented and VMC has the same problems when browsing remote folders.
Copying of large amount of data is a joke as well. I use TeraCopy instead, did not have to do it in XP.

PS. Differential compression removal does not work.

[slimf]

Originally Posted by simbot82

I think the issue I have is yes we don't have ot buy the new operating system, but rally we do as they stop supporitng it, updating it and force/pay incentives to companies/publishers to stop supporting it.

I am very unhappy I bought two copies of vista

I think your claims are unsubstantiated as well. Microsoft have a VERY well defined lifecycle policy. XP was released in 2001 and support and updates will flow until 14/4/2009 and extened support will be offered until 04/08/2014. For an operating system that costs all of $179.00 I think this support is exceptional. We are now in 2008 and Microsoft are still releasing updates to XP which is 7 odd years old. They should be commended for this effort.