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Old 27th March 2007, 06:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Component display perfect WS. VGA not?? WTF?

I have a HD Panasonic 42" Plasma which supports a native res of 1024x768

My set top box and dvd player display a perfect image through my component plugs, while I just can not get my vga plug through my MCE PC to do the same.

It may have something to do with the plugs..??
I think the vga plug has some (possibly tv related) limitations. i.e it will only accept the 1024x768 resolution which is a stretched image, therefore all my tv display through that plug looks stretched aswell.

Whereas the component plugs concentrate on the 720p or 1080i resolutions? It doesn't make much sense does it?

I wish someone here (guru callout!) could explain to me why this is.

All I know is that my set top box displays a perfect non stretched image, and my Panasonic DVD player displays widescreen movies at a perfect non stretched and FANTASTIC quality!

God I LOVE component.

The VGA 1024x768 res is the limitation with my tellie. i.e. not true Widescreen
If I change it to a true widescreen res it doesn't fill out the screen.

Can someone please explain why my component inputs are not stretched?

I understand why my VGA 1024x768 looks stretched
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Re: Component display perfect WS. VGA not?? WTF?

Sounds like a combination of two things.

The first is the native res of the tv. 1024x768 is a 4:3 resolution. The only reason it's a widescreen TV is due to some shiftiness by the manufacturer. On a typical 1024x768 4:3 display the image is 4:3 in shape as the pixels themselves are square. i.e. The pixels have an aspect ratio of 4:3.

On a widescreen 16:9 panel with 1024x768 pixels they cheat and make the pixels with a widescreen aspect ratio (16:9 sized pixels), so they are elongated pixels that suit the physical shape of the display. So even though you're sending a widescreen image via a 4:3 signal it comes out as widescreen.

The problem you have (I believe) is that PC's only work in square pixels and don't understand the concept of non square ones.. When you display video this isn't really noticeable but on the desktop and with text display it is.

Secondly. When you send a signal from a set to box etc the TV itself will figure out and do the scaling in order to present the image edge to edge in the right aspect ratio. This isn't happening with the TV over VGA due to a thing called overscan. VGA on the panasonics takes the signal as is and the signal being sent from the PC doesn't contain overscan, hence you get the image not filling the screen correctly. You can fix this in the video driver using the "overscan compensation" function in the driver.

I think you'll then end up with a video image that you will be happy with but because of the scaler in the TV, the non square pixels, and the signal sent by the PC the desktop will always look stretched. This is why we generally recommend purchasing true widescreen resolution displays (such as those with 1366x768 or 1920x1080 resolutions).

Hope that provides at least a place to continue searching if you really want to do your head in with the details

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Re: Component display perfect WS. VGA not?? WTF?

Are you running Vista?

If so, make sure you select 16:9 Widescreen in the TV setup and then force the resolution to 1024x768.

I have a similar Panasonic plasma - TH42PV60A. Its connected to a Nvidia 7600 GS video card with component, DVI and VGA outputs.

For a while I used the VGA output to connect to the TV PC input and set the resolution to 1024x768. Under this combination I always got a full screen and no under/overscan problems.

Annoyingly, the Panasonic seems not to accept HDTV format signals over the PC input (ie no 720p or 1080i) only over DVI. But Vista cannot send 1024x768 over DVI!!

At 1024x768 over VGA I experience noticable video tearing on HD with the latest Nvidia drivers. Going back to the default Vista Nvidia driver and using 720p over DVI seems to have solved this problem for me for me and the result is quite good. I am just a little annoyed I can't get the full 768 lines working... Not sure, but I think I need to wait for Nvidia to get hardware acceleration working correctly under Vista as the extra lines (or the scaling) seems to put the card over limit.

Your problem could be specific to the ATI card but I thought you should know at least one other person has a very similar screen without the scaling/stretching issues you are having.

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