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Old 3rd September 2007, 04:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Nvidia vs ATI.. in summary

I have put together a few HTPCs to date the item that seems to make the biggest impact is the video card and how its connected to the PC. That said, after reading hundereds of posts on video cards there doesnt seem to be much thats conclusive. I was hoping to make a few statements based on what i've read and experiences myself and see if others agree or not.

true or false..

1) If you have the choice, running DVI or HDMI to an LCD screen at the screens native res will give the best picture quality (ie. as opposed to running VGA and as opposed to running to a plasma - this has been my experience, based on colour accuracy and vibrancy, tho i'm sure plenty may disagree with this)

2) If you are running HD using DVI/HDMI/VGA to a screen, then the Nvidia cards (eg. 8500GT) are more stable, ie. the ATI cards have issues with green screen on HD channels, and have more reports of stutter issues.

3) If you are running SD using S-Video/Component, then the ATI cards (eg. 2400pro) seem to be the better choice due to better drivers for analog output, and have less issues with overscan and running 50Hz. My experience has definately been that ATI cards using standard settings give much better picture quality running S-video especially with regards to giving bright accurate colours. Further, there have been several reports of the nvidia cards having sugnificant stuttering problems running analog (ie. s-video/component) especially (but not limited to) at 50Hz, and i have found this also. My personal experience has actually been that given the option, an xbox360 gives a more problem free and better picture quality connection vis s-video/component by far, but.. its fan is far too noisy for my liking if its sitting out in the open.
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Re: Nvidia vs ATI.. in summary

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1) If you have the choice, running DVI or HDMI to an LCD screen at the screens native res will give the best picture quality (ie. as opposed to running VGA and as opposed to running to a plasma - this has been my experience, based on colour accuracy and vibrancy, tho i'm sure plenty may disagree with this)
I think this depends largely on resolution. Its preferable but in my experience with good quality cables at 720p-ish res it doesn't make a difference. Above that you need to be looking for DVI/HDMI though.

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2) If you are running HD using DVI/HDMI/VGA to a screen, then the Nvidia cards (eg. 8500GT) are more stable, ie. the ATI cards have issues with green screen on HD channels, and have more reports of stutter issues.
Very subjective, but this is my experience too, Nvidia are more solid in my opinion and work very well, plus the special "HDTV" modes are very accessable.

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3) If you are running SD using S-Video/Component, then the ATI cards (eg. 2400pro) seem to be the better choice due to better drivers for analog output, and have less issues with overscan and running 50Hz.an xbox360 gives a more problem free and better picture quality connection vis s-video/component by far, but.. its fan is far too noisy for my liking if its sitting out in the open.
I don't really think SD outputs from ANY display card are working well enough in PAL. Component inputs are so bad I can't believe they put them on there. You tend to get the lame drop-frame NTSC/PAL conversion and I can't stand it. So yes in my opinion something like an XBOX360 with dedicated PAL output is going to give a much better picture if it can be used in the same way.
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Re: Nvidia vs ATI.. in summary

I am happy with 1080P via VGA to my Samsung LCD. Probably because I haven't tried DVI to HDMI.

As it requires a firmware update to do 1080P with 1 to 1 pixel mapping using HDMI I haven't tried it (all the Samsung technicians in Camberra insist on taking the TV away).

I am using a 8600GT, upgraded from a flaky 6600GT, and the picture is very good. I will upgrade the firmware one day, perhaps when the 3 year warranty is over :-)
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2) If you are running HD using DVI/HDMI/VGA to a screen, then the Nvidia cards (eg. 8500GT) are more stable, ie. the ATI cards have issues with green screen on HD channels, and have more reports of stutter issues.
No longer the case with new cards, just the old ones...at or below 1600XT in my experience. The new ATI's rule!! NVidia haven't got the whole TV res thing sorted as well IMHO.
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Re: Nvidia vs ATI.. in summary

This thread is exactly what I've been looking for.

So to completely summarise, If I'm looking to run HDMI out (carrying video and audio) from Vista to 720P Plasma panel via AVR, do I go:

ATI 2600XT Pipe Cooled or
Nvidia equivalent (8600 GT?)
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8600GT for mine, sensational value and great HD decoding capabilities.
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I have put together a few HTPCs to date the item that seems to make the biggest impact is the video card and how its connected to the PC. That said, after reading hundereds of posts on video cards there doesnt seem to be much thats conclusive. I was hoping to make a few statements based on what i've read and experiences myself and see if others agree or not.

true or false..

1) If you have the choice, running DVI or HDMI to an LCD screen at the screens native res will give the best picture quality (ie. as opposed to running VGA and as opposed to running to a plasma - this has been my experience, based on colour accuracy and vibrancy, tho i'm sure plenty may disagree with this)

2) If you are running HD using DVI/HDMI/VGA to a screen, then the Nvidia cards (eg. 8500GT) are more stable, ie. the ATI cards have issues with green screen on HD channels, and have more reports of stutter issues.

3) If you are running SD using S-Video/Component, then the ATI cards (eg. 2400pro) seem to be the better choice due to better drivers for analog output, and have less issues with overscan and running 50Hz. My experience has definately been that ATI cards using standard settings give much better picture quality running S-video especially with regards to giving bright accurate colours. Further, there have been several reports of the nvidia cards having sugnificant stuttering problems running analog (ie. s-video/component) especially (but not limited to) at 50Hz, and i have found this also. My personal experience has actually been that given the option, an xbox360 gives a more problem free and better picture quality connection vis s-video/component by far, but.. its fan is far too noisy for my liking if its sitting out in the open.
In my experience:
1.True - DVI/HDMI gives yo better PQ. I was playing for ages with VGA and could produce very good PQ, but not as good as with DVI/HDMI. Don't trust people who say different - they are lazy.
2. Wrong - ATI drivers are much better than NVidia - I have tried it all. People who will say different are protecting their investment, nothing else. I have sold my NVidia card.
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Re: Nvidia vs ATI.. in summary

1. True. VGA is nice but I've found HDMI produces better colour. Thats the only difference as far as I can see.

2. Nvidia and ATI are pretty much the same. Although I would say that ATI are slightly behind purely because of the green screen on HD issue. I've had to use the Cyberlink decoder until they fix it. With Nvidia I had absolutely no issues either via VGA or HDMI.
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2. Nvidia and ATI are pretty much the same. .
Wrong, if you have to deal with custom resolutions and overscan - NVidia has no clue.
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Wrong, if you have to deal with custom resolutions and overscan - NVidia gas no clue.
In Vista, this is true, but not so of XP.
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