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Here's my situation. I have a PC running XP Media Centre. It has a Dvico FusionHDTV card. Last night I recorded NCIS using the built-in timer in MCE. It recorded perfectly and plays back fine. So now I want to burn it to DVD to watch on my Pioneer DVR-530H which supposedly supports DVD-R and DVD-RW. I use the Write DVD option in MCE after reading the help which says it will burn it so its compatible with normal DVD players...WRONG!
So then I start trolling through here and get even more confused. I download VideoRedo and Super. VideoRedo seems to quickly convert the file, but the resulting file is much smaller so I wonder what has been lost. Super has so many options and very little to explain which options to use.
I try using the file I ran through VidoeRedo and burn it to DVD-RW using Nero (the make a Data DVD option if that means anything), take it inside and the Pioneer just says, can't play this disc.
I've read just about every thread on this subject and now I'm totally confused. Surely there must be an easy way to record something via MCE, burn it to DVD and play it back without going through a hundred steps and without spending hundreds of dollars on software.
Here's my situation. I have a PC running XP Media Centre. It has a Dvico FusionHDTV card. Last night I recorded NCIS using the built-in timer in MCE. It recorded perfectly and plays back fine. So now I want to burn it to DVD to watch on my Pioneer DVR-530H which supposedly supports DVD-R and DVD-RW. I use the Write DVD option in MCE after reading the help which says it will burn it so its compatible with normal DVD players...WRONG!
So then I start trolling through here and get even more confused. I download VideoRedo and Super. VideoRedo seems to quickly convert the file, but the resulting file is much smaller so I wonder what has been lost. Super has so many options and very little to explain which options to use.
I try using the file I ran through VidoeRedo and burn it to DVD-RW using Nero (the make a Data DVD option if that means anything), take it inside and the Pioneer just says, can't play this disc.
I've read just about every thread on this subject and now I'm totally confused. Surely there must be an easy way to record something via MCE, burn it to DVD and play it back without going through a hundred steps and without spending hundreds of dollars on software.
Forgive me at the outset. My daughter says I'm a nerdy old fart and I know I have senior moments. Other than that, welcome.
Now, I'm confused. VideoRedo is intended to edit video files, mainly to quickly take out the bits you don't want. Is that what you did? Is so, then the resulting file will, of course, be smaller than the original. BTW, the resulting file will be an mpeg (.mpg)
To make a "standard" DVD video, use Nero Vision. Click Make a DVD. Drag & drop the file you created with VideoRedo across to NeroVision and follow the Nero Vision wizard.
There are other ways, but the above is quite easy to master and quick (depending on your hardware).
OK, the easy way. Do you have Sonic Encoders installed? You need that to make a "play in a DVD player" DVD from within MCE (otherwise it will be a data DVD). Problem is, it's flaky & it re-encodes the whole file & takes ages. Search for sonicencoders.msi in your fav search engine.
Now, VideoReDo is excellent. You can use that to edit out the ads, & you can choose what type of MPEG2 based file that you output - it can be back to dvr-ms, or mpg or vob. If the Super you're talking about is SuperDVD Creator, then you can use that with the vob file using the DVD Menu creator. Problem is, it will produce a 4:3 DVD as there is no option to change aspect ratio at that stage. I have spoken to the makers about this & they say they'll add it in version 9.5 (next release). There is a frustratingly manual away around this using an app called ifoedit to change the tags to 16:9, but I wouldn't be going down this path until you are more comfortable.
VideoReDo shouldn't reduce the file, except for any removed items. I think you might have used it incorrectly. Make sure you have it in cut mode & then you select that start & finish of parts you don't want, & then you choose cut & move on to the next part to cut. A properly edited version of NCIS from 10SD should be around 2.1GB.
So, once you have VideoReDo working & Sonic Encoders working, you can output an mpg to your "My Videos" folder & burn it from within MCE.
Something to get you started anyway.
Justin
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Here's my situation. I have a PC running XP Media Centre. It has a Dvico FusionHDTV card. Last night I recorded NCIS using the built-in timer in MCE. It recorded perfectly and plays back fine. So now I want to burn it to DVD to watch on my Pioneer DVR-530H which supposedly supports DVD-R and DVD-RW. I use the Write DVD option in MCE after reading the help which says it will burn it so its compatible with normal DVD players...WRONG!
So then I start trolling through here and get even more confused. I download VideoRedo and Super. VideoRedo seems to quickly convert the file, but the resulting file is much smaller so I wonder what has been lost. Super has so many options and very little to explain which options to use.
I try using the file I ran through VidoeRedo and burn it to DVD-RW using Nero (the make a Data DVD option if that means anything), take it inside and the Pioneer just says, can't play this disc.
I've read just about every thread on this subject and now I'm totally confused. Surely there must be an easy way to record something via MCE, burn it to DVD and play it back without going through a hundred steps and without spending hundreds of dollars on software.
First thing to check is weather the 1st DVD you burnt using MCE will play on the computers DVD player. If it will then the Pioneer probably does not like the brand of blank you are using. If it does not things are about to get a little complicated in that there are a few things you need to check / know about.
Ae you using the sonic encoders to Burn the disc under MCE? I'm not saying you should be, I'm just asking are you? If not do you know what encoder you are using? Have you downloaded and installed all the MS patches via Windows Update? Specifically RU1 and RU1 updates and RU2.
Thats a start for now.
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Sorry my ignorance, but I think all you have to do is finish that DVD, so no more recording possible, and then you will be able to play it. I will play with it tomorrows and report.
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Thanks for all the advice guys. Here's what I've tried so far.
I installed VideoRedo. It's certainly good at what it does. Although I'm not overly concerend about editing out ads etc. I can fast forward through them.
I installed the Sonic encoders into MCE. Strangely though, it doesn't seem to support the default DVR-MS format. It came up with an unsupported file format error. I used the MPEG2 file I created with VideoRedo and it burnt successfuly to dvd.
I took the dvd to my portable dvd player and another PC and it played perfectly. I then took it inside to the Pioneer and it came up fine, but there was no sound.
So, I'm a little closer to a simple solution, but not quite there yet. For the time being, I'll stick with my original question of why is it so difficult. All I really want to do is to be able to record a program, burn it to a DVD-RW disc and play it inside.
You'd think by now that someone (even Microsoft) would have come up with a simple plugin for MCE that just makes this happen seamlessly. Oh well, life wasn't meant to be easy I guess.
I took the dvd to my portable dvd player and another PC and it played perfectly. I then took it inside to the Pioneer and it came up fine, but there was no sound.
That suggests that the Pioneer is set to the wrong sound output. Sorry, I can't remember who broadcasts in which format, & what sonic does with the sound, but the other player & PC are probably set to downmix everything to 2 channel analogue stereo, so that's why they would play.
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So, I'm a little closer to a simple solution, but not quite there yet. For the time being, I'll stick with my original question of why is it so difficult. All I really want to do is to be able to record a program, burn it to a DVD-RW disc and play it inside.
You'd think by now that someone (even Microsoft) would have come up with a simple plugin for MCE that just makes this happen seamlessly. Oh well, life wasn't meant to be easy I guess.
You've struck the problem that is only just being resolved in consumer devices (i.e. you can finally get a DVD recorder with a DVB-T tuner in it). They're all mpeg2, just not the same mpeg2. That means that things need to be altered in format to move from one type to the other. VideoReDo has proven that this can be done without re-encoding the entire file, so there should be an easy app & it should be quick if your recording is smaller than a DVD. But there isn't. I think Sonic Encoders has some issue with PAL-50 DVR-MS &/or the sound of the files (the unsupported format error). Latest versions of Nero have a plug in for MCE to do what you want, but reports seem to show that it suffers from the same problems as Sonic.
I've also used a program called ConvertXToDVD, but it had the same problem when going straight from DVR-MS to DVD - no sound. If I convert to MPG first with VideoReDo, it works.
One day.....
Justin
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VMC32: Asus M3N78-EMH HDMI, 4850e, TMG A2 CPU Cooler, 2x1GB Kingston HyperX 800, 2 x HVR-2200 (4 tuners), 500GB Samsung, NSK2480B. Connected to a Metz 32 inch LCD.
Office/Server: Abit A-N78HD, BE-2350, 2x1GB Kingston HyperX 800, 2 x AverTV Duo (4 tuners), CoolerMaster Centurion 5 Tower.
You'd think by now that someone (even Microsoft) would have come up with a simple plugin for MCE that just makes this happen seamlessly. Oh well, life wasn't meant to be easy I guess.
Not sure about MCE but when you intstall the latest build of Nero 7, it adds a plugin and a UI into VMC to do just that. It might be worth a try with MCE as well.
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Can I ask why you are doing this way when you have a Digital PVR .. ?
The Pioneer is actually an analogue PVR. We usually record stuff and watch it back in 4:3 stretched in really poor quality. Not only that, it can only record on channel at a time. My objective was to be able to record SD in the office, quickly dump it on DVD and play it back. Wishful thinking I know.
I agree with the sentiment of the first question " Why is it so difficult?".
I have had a lot of help from this forum.
What I now do, and seems to have worked is to use Video Redo to edit out the advertisments and lop off the extra recording time I tend to add at the start and finish in order to be sure and get the whole program I want to watch. Then I burn the DVD using ULEAD video studio10. The movie then plays on a regular DVD player, although occasionally the sound is ever so slightly out of sink. The sound usually corrects itself after a time.
That means that things need to be altered in format to move from one type to the other. VideoReDo has proven that this can be done without re-encoding the entire file, so there should be an easy app & it should be quick if your recording is smaller than a DVD. But there isn't. 
I think Sonic Encoders has some issue with PAL-50 DVR-MS &/or the sound of the files (the unsupported format error). Latest versions of Nero have a plug in for MCE to do what you want, but reports seem to show that it suffers from the same problems as Sonic.
