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Old 13th August 2008, 12:08 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Wierd crapy vista issue trying to enable 4 tuners (phantom tuners in registry)

I have 2 nova t 500`s (4 tuners)
When i get two tuners going in media centre i then use the hp tuner config tool to activate the remaining tuners.
I then reboot my machine and then vista has found another two tuners and created registry keys, if i edit the new registry keys with information to enable them for media centre i reboot then i have another 2 new tuner registry keys. Its a rinse and repeat situation.

Its always Dev1,1 and Dev2,1 that gets recreated.

Am i doing something wrong? are my tuners stuffed?
Im using the latest tuner drivers
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Re: Wierd crapy vista issue trying to enable 4 tuners

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Have you just tried using MCE Tuner Extender instead of Hp MCE Tuner Config tool . Followw the intructons in this thread:
EASY Instructions for Adding Extra Tuners to VMC Update

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Re: Wierd crapy vista issue trying to enable 4 tuners

Cordlez, I had exactly the same issue trying to get two Nova-T's running in a rig. The answer isn't simple, but it worked for me.

Essentially what happens is you get two "ghost" tuners in the registry and recording/ playback acts wierd (I could record two channels and watch a third, but if I hit record on the third it would say i only had two (or sometimes one) tuner.)

Anyway, here's what I did.

The rig had one nova-T already installed and set up. Channels scanned orderd etc. I backed up the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Media Centre\Service\Video\Tuners part of the registry just in case.

Now under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Media Centre\Service\Video\Tuners you will find a few keys, two of which are hex numbers. the second of these when opened will contain your two tuners - both identified as a hex number. Open one of the tuners and find the key called User Sttings. Export this key - call it user.reg or something.

Now delete all the tuners from the registry - trust me here - you won't lose all your channel setups.

OK, now power down and install your second Nova -T and reboot. Check the registry and you will see 4 tuners are present - no ghost tuners. Now run the MCE Tuner Config tool, name each tuner and enable all four for MC use. Close the app.

As a sanity check, reboot and recheck the registry. You should still only have 4 tuners listed.

Now the fun begins. If you look in the User Settings for each tuner, you will see they are empty. You need to recreate these. If you rescan & so on all your series records will be broken, so I did it manually.

For each tuner, export the User Settings registry key, call them tuner1.reg, tuner2.reg and so on.

Background - the only difference in the User Settings key for each tuner is the hex number that identifies the specific tuner. What we will do now is a find and replace to make each tuner have a User Settings key.

Now, go back to the user.reg key you exported earlier ( the original User Settings key) and edit it. Also open Tuner1.reg for editing. Find the hex identifier in use.reg and copy it to the clipboard. Go to Edit|Replace and paste the hex number into the Find box. In Tuner1.reg find the hex identifier and copy it to clipboard, then go back to user.reg and paste it into the Replace box. Then click "Replace All". Save the edited file as Tuner1A.reg.

Repeat this process for tuner2.reg, tuner3.reg and tuner4.reg.

Once all four tuners are done, import Tuner1A.reg, Tuner2A.reg,Tuner3A.reg and Tuner4A.reg. Reboot.

Check the registry, you should still ahve only 4 tuners and all the User Settings keys should be populated.

Now try to record 4 channels - you should have 4 tuners running.

You can now set the record and watch preferences for each tuner as described here.

I have assumed you are fairly comfortable editing the registry and are familiar with it. Naturally, back up before you start, just in case.

I know this is rather long, tedious and not intuitive, but this is the ONLY way I could stop phantom tuners appearing in the registry when two Nova-T's were installed. It's a pain, but once done it works fine.

Hope this makes sense, if you're not sure just ask.
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Re: Wierd crapy vista issue trying to enable 4 tuners

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Now, go back to the user.reg key you exported earlier ( the original User Settings key) and edit it. Also open Tuner1.reg for editing. Find the hex identifier in use.reg and copy it to the clipboard. Go to Edit|Replace and paste the hex number into the Find box. In Tuner1.reg find the hex identifier and copy it to clipboard, then go back to user.reg and paste it into the Replace box. Then click "Replace All". Save the edited file as Tuner1A.reg.

Repeat this process for tuner2.reg, tuner3.reg and tuner4.reg.

Once all four tuners are done, import Tuner1A.reg, Tuner2A.reg,Tuner3A.reg and Tuner4A.reg. Reboot.

Check the registry, you should still ahve only 4 tuners and all the User Settings keys should be populated.

Now try to record 4 channels - you should have 4 tuners running.

You can now set the record and watch preferences for each tuner as described here.

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Hehe... Glad it's simple...

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Re: Wierd crapy vista issue trying to enable 4 tuners

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Hehe... Glad it's simple...

Cheers,

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You've no idea the pain. I have put a third tuner in mine (3 Avermedia 777s) without anywhere near that hassle, but add a second Nova-T...

Took me ages to sort it out. No matter how often I cleaned the registry and used the Tuner tool it got "ghost" tuners in teh registry that caused all sorts of conflicts.

My advice - the Nova-T is a good card, but don't have more than one.
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Re: Wierd crapy vista issue trying to enable 4 tuners

Im glad im not the only one suffering "phantom" tuners. I thought maybe my tuners were stuffed.
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Re: Wierd crapy vista issue trying to enable 4 tuners

Not just you. The system seems to generate a hex number to identify each tuner. When you add your second Nova-T it appears it generates 4 new hex numbers. I even had it install with only 4 tuners, set it all up, looked good, tehn after a reboot the phantoms were back.

That convoluted process above was the only way I got it all working.
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Re: Wierd crapy vista issue trying to enable 4 tuners

I found the issue to be related to my Microsoft USB receiver for keyboard and remote.

When I get the phantom tuners appears, I unplug the received (wait for the unplug tone), reconnect and restart the HTPC and all some be OK.

Assume that you had the 4 working in the first place and as already mention make a copy of the registry keys just in case.

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Re: Wierd crapy vista issue trying to enable 4 tuners

If you look at the Hauppauge UK forum, you'll find a number of people with the same issue (not only in MCE/VMC) - I suspect that it's down to something with the onboard USB bridges on the cards & not the actual tuners, but who knows?

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Re: Wierd crapy vista issue trying to enable 4 tuners

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If you look at the Hauppauge UK forum, you'll find a number of people with the same issue (not only in MCE/VMC) - I suspect that it's down to something with the onboard USB bridges on the cards & not the actual tuners, but who knows?

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I actually suspected that this might be the case.

But ill try the usb reciever next cheers
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