Hauppauge HVR-2200 - What a fantastic PCIe Dual Digital TV Tuner

[vbap]

Originally Posted by logifuse

I think vbap is going to hit the same wall.

..and you'd be right

I've checked every registry setting, even setting the analogue entries to be identical. cannot work.

I checked the VMC event log, and googling the event ID (3) leads me to....the NovaT 500 issues...

more testing on the weekend. I can't have all this kit sitting around for 6 months while I sort out a TV tuner driver issue with newmagic. I might try a NOvaT 500 + HVR2200 combo.

what a bugger...

[logifuse]

Here's the story - basically it's a repeat of the Nova-T 500 situation (trying to get 2 of them working together).

http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=14406

http://forum.team-mediaportal.com/in...-tuners-13909/

It's not unique to VMC/MCE - it's a Windows problem (or more likely a driver problem) where the 2 cards don't have unique hardware signatures & are (underlying) seen as the same card.

With 4 tuners enabled, in VMC you fire up live TV & you use tuner 1A. You start recording that channel & then you start using tuner 1B. You start recording that channel & when you go to change channel & use tuner 2A, Windows suddenly thinks that tuner 2A is 1A & says that it's already in use.

Using a Nova-T 500 & an HVR-2200 should work.

Justin

[AdrianW]

I have a Dvico Dual Digital 4 - which has the same issues as everyone else (i.e. stuttering with white backgrounds on channel 9, and slow channel change - as well as the occasional missing tuner).

So, I'm considering this HVR-2200 card, that seems good from what everyone is saying.

My Dvico still works most of the time, so I'm wondering if anyone is using the Hauppauge and the Dvico together (enabling 4 tuners)? This would be mainly to enable recording of 3 shows at once (on those rare occurrences when there's actually more than 2 shows worth recording).

For those that are interested in the Hauppauge card, here's a link to an HVR-2200 fact sheet (pdf) which includes a high-res image of the card.

[Mark1]

Originally Posted by simmo

Just wondering whether everyone is getting fast channel changing on all channels at all times. I'm getting ~2 sec channel changing on 7,9,10 but more often than not very slow channel changes for SBS (5 sec). I presume this is related to my signal strength but I haven't seen this variation with any of the other tuner cards I have used or tested recently.

I'm getting ~1 second channel changes right across the board (ABC1, ABC2, SBS, 7, 7HD, 9, 10, 10HD). The best I have ever had, and I have tried cards from Dvico, DigitalNow and Compro.
I'm not sure what could be causing it, but could be signal.

Have you tried recording something, and then seeing how fast the second tuner changes. Might give you some clue.

[Mark1]

Originally Posted by AdrianW

I have a Dvico Dual Digital 4 - which has the same issues as everyone else (i.e. stuttering with white backgrounds on channel 9, and slow channel change - as well as the occasional missing tuner).

So, I'm considering this HVR-2200 card, that seems good from what everyone is saying.

My Dvico still works most of the time, so I'm wondering if anyone is using the Hauppauge and the Dvico together (enabling 4 tuners)? This would be mainly to enable recording of 3 shows at once (on those rare occurrences when there's actually more than 2 shows worth recording).

For those that are interested in the Hauppauge card, here's a link to an HVR-2200 fact sheet (pdf) which includes a high-res image of the card.

Hey, I have a better idea, get a HVR-2200, tie the Dvico card to a lump of concrete, and throw it off the back of a boat
Why run 4 tuners anyway? Its only free-to-air TV... seriously...
We'll have to see what happens with the running of 2 HVR-2200 cards. I hope for the cards sake (because its a great card on its own), the problems get sorted.

[logifuse]

Originally Posted by vbap

..and you'd be right

I've checked every registry setting, even setting the analogue entries to be identical. cannot work.

I checked the VMC event log, and googling the event ID (3) leads me to....the NovaT 500 issues...

more testing on the weekend. I can't have all this kit sitting around for 6 months while I sort out a TV tuner driver issue with newmagic. I might try a NOvaT 500 + HVR2200 combo.

what a bugger...

Hey vbap,

Are your 2 cards sharing the same IRQ? Mine are both on IRQ 16 & I'm trying to find a way to change one (BIOS is no help).

Justin

[vbap]

Originally Posted by logifuse

Are your 2 cards sharing the same IRQ?

separate - 16&18.
I am using a NovaT500 + HVR2200 at the moment. Working OK, but I can tell when I am using NovaT vs HVR - faster channel changes on the later!

I'll see if newmagic are interested in chasing this one up. Meanwhile, I'm happy to keep with this setup for a week before I physically remove the legacy machine and cleanup all the cabling.
I then have some heat/coolin issues to sort out. System was drawing ~100W recording 4 SD programs simultaneously and running about 60C. The stock fan is too irritating at this level. But hen, I;ve squeezed it all into a S10V case, and therefore need a low profile silent cooler..!

[CX23882-19]

What driver are you using?

I found this in the release notes for driver 26025 (25/01/2008):

* Access to more than 2 generic devices now possible
* Improved I2C handling for multiple devices.
* Support for Filter Name Enumeration for Digital Filters.

So it looks like Hauppauge DO intend to support multiple boards in the same PC.

Has anyone tried them yet?
http://www.wintvcd.co.uk/drivers/HVR...26025_WHQL.zip
If you're interested in analogue, there are quite a few nice changes for that too: You should see better quality encoding and better reliability too.

[logifuse]

Originally Posted by vbap

separate - 16&18.
I am using a NovaT500 + HVR2200 at the moment. Working OK, but I can tell when I am using NovaT vs HVR - faster channel changes on the later!

16 & 18 with 2 HVR-2200's?

Originally Posted by CX23882-19

What driver are you using?

I found this in the release notes for driver 26025 (25/01/2008):
So it looks like Hauppauge DO intend to support multiple boards in the same PC.

Has anyone tried them yet?
http://www.wintvcd.co.uk/drivers/HVR...26025_WHQL.zip
If you're interested in analogue, there are quite a few nice changes for that too: You should see better quality encoding and better reliability too.

I tried all 3 drivers I could find (original CD, Newmagic's website & Hauppauge UK's website - I think they are the the drivers above). All had exactly the same symptoms, but I'll try a clean out & fresh install with the UK drivers to see if that works (probably tomorrow).

I'm using 1 HVR-2200 with a Twinhan 7045/TinyUSB ATM. The HVR is better at handling impulse noise.

Justin

[NewMagic]

Hi,

Guys - we are looking into this issue and working on having it resolved ASAP - will advise when we have it sorted. i will post any solutions to this thread

Regs

Mark Harwood
New Magic Australia Pty Ltd

[CX23882-19]

Originally Posted by logifuse

I'm using 1 HVR-2200 with a Twinhan 7045/TinyUSB ATM. The HVR is better at handling impulse noise.

I've never tried the Twinhan 7045, but I know of its reputation. If the HVR-2200 can beat that, then combined with the fast channel changing, good driver support, hardware encoder for analogue and good build quality - is it perhaps the best card on the market right now? The Nova-t-500 was always a bit of a disappointment for me. Poor tuner robustness, USB issues, excessive IRQ usage and other minor niggles meant that I ending up selling mine and going to another brand of card - Terratec 2400i, which is rock solid. Microtune MT2060 tuners as used on the Nova-t 500 are terrible IMHO.

I hope to receive my HVR-2200 some time next week and can't wait! In my experience the Philips 7162/10046/8275 cards perform pretty well (not as good as the Terratec but close enough) so I have every bit of faith in the HVR-2200 being as close to perfection as is possible since it uses newer versions of those components.