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Old 10th September 2007, 05:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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No TV Signal

Hi,

I've waited long enough and decided to install Vista onto my Media Centre PC.

I got Ultimate Version,
Gigabyte Motherboard
Dvico Dual Digital Tuner. http://www.fusionhdtv.co.kr/ENG/Prod...alDigital.aspx

I waited so long because i was afraid of this. I would like some support please.

When the Dvico tuner is setup on the Bluebird and the Tuner at once, so i can watch two channels at the same time, or record one channel and watch another, the problem occurs.

If i go and configure the tuner to not use the Bluebird second tuner, channel 10 displays fine.
Using both tuners as the card was designed for, Channel 10 wont display, it say no TV signal. I live in the center of the Gold Coast, and have never had signal problems. Channel 10, 10 HD and Southern Cross ten (NSW) all say no signal.
But.. and this is important, when I set the guide http://www.epgstream.net/ (I find the Oztivo FTA guide is Superb, and free ) when I set it to record anything on 10, it records fine and i can watch another channel at the same time, and if I go the the guide, and select channel 10 its working, but only while recording.

I've got a feeling there is a bug somewhere.

Some background,
I have the Latest Dvico Drivers. In the native Dvico software 10 Displays OK.
I installed the Vista Microsoft Windows Hotfix (KB935685) to prevent the Free*EPG guide services from being over-ridden when configuring the region. http://www.epgstream.net/Support/tabid/75/Default.aspx
I have a genuine version of Vista Ultimate.

If you have had a similar problem and fixed it please let me know.
I havent been able to find the answer on the forums.

Kind Regards,
Kurt.

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Re: No TV Signal

I have your answer!
I have been using this card for a year now, and have never been totaly happy. I knew something was up when I got mine in the mail and the next week, Dvico had released a newer version. I have come to the conclusion that the "Bluebird" tuner (the USB one I believe) is the root of all problems with this card. Vista Media Center by default, uses the USB tuner as its first priority (I have since learned), so I have been watching TV that has been having signal problems AND slow channel changing for the last year. I moved houses a few months ago and decided to get a top of the range Digital ready Hills Antenna installed and finaly get the best reception I can. When I turned on my PC only to find that SBS was freezing and stuttering and carrying on and the installer said that the signal coming out of my point was acceptable (although a little lower for UHF - SBS) I knew something was wrong and was determined to find the solution (because there always is one ;-)
I found a utility that lets you specify which tuner is used first for Live TV and allowed it to change the registry settings.
AND GUESS WHAT!! Now that the "FusionHDTV" tuner on the card is being used first - perfect TV - even SBS. When I change it back - problems again. THE CHANNEL CHANGE SPEED IS NOW I.N.S.T.A.N.T!!! Something I thought I would never achieve.
The reason why it worked the time you were able to record 10 ,is not because of the guide service, but because you were probably using the PCI tuner for recording, and then using the USB one to watch another channel (other than 10), which it was able to cope with. Does that make sense??
Its not the drivers, its not Vista, its not decoders, its not the guide service, its not your hardware, its not hotfixes, and its not you - ITS THE USB TUNER ON THE CARD!!
Basicaly, the USB tuner gets a lower signal from the PCI one, so when ever its in use, you will have problems with it. If I were you I would replace the card. Its useless.
In my opinion, this card is only useful as a single digital card, with the USB one dissabled, or even better, not even connected.
I am thinking of getting one of the DigitalNow ones.
Believe me, its not worth the trouble. I'm surprised anyone still has this version of the card - I'm sure the newest 4th generation one would even be better.
If you have any other questions - feel free to ask. I have meny tips that may be able to help you.
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Re: No TV Signal

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Thanks for you reply, WIll this tool make channel ten work?
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Re: No TV Signal

Go give it a try. Its a very small download.
You get the utility from here:
http://www.salloway.org.uk/mediacent...ndex.htm#tuner
In the left box should be the Bluebird tuner, in the right the FusionHDTV tuner.
For the Bluebird, untick "Use this card to watch Live TV with first" and tick "Use this card to record with first".
For the FusionHDTV, TICK "Use this card to watch Live TV with first" and UNTICK "Use this card to record with first".
Leave both ticked for "Enable for MCE" (although, whenever MCE uses the Bluebird tuner, you will have the CH10 problems - so you might just want MCE to ignore it and untick it for Bluebird). I have left both ticked even though I have SBS problems with the Bluebird tuner. Like I said, eventually I will get a different card.
There is a note on the utility download page, "The priority settings only affects which card is to be used if both are not currently in use, you may not get your preferred choice under all circumstances." Which means, even with this setting, there is the odd occasion when the Bluebird tuner might get selected.
I'll explain briefly what made me think there were issues with one tuner and not the other. The default priority tuner has been the Bluebird, so I have had several times when MCE has frozen up while watching LiveTV and I have had to control-alt-delete and cancelled the application back to windows, then I would restart MCE and the channels were changing much faster and SBS was working? I was getting curious, so I control-alt-deleted MCE again and went back in. Was editing my channel list, and MCE went to preview the current channel I had the mouse hovering on and there was a box that popped up saying both my tuners were still in use, and that I had to cancel one. SO, when MCE first crashed, that tuner (the Bluebird), was left "in-use". So when I went back into MCE, thats why it defaulted to the FusionHDTV tuner and things worked. I remembered a program I had seen while looking for Media Center untilities that allowed you to select the first tuner used - problem solved. Now I have read the USB tuner receives a signal 2-3 db lower than the signal the PCI tuner gets. That would be why the Bluebird doesn't play CH10 well for you, but the other one does. And the reason why it seems intermittent is because you never knew which tuner was in use.
This tool won't make CH10 work - it already does work!! It allows you to tell MCE to use the FusionHDTV tuner instead of the USB one because the signal the USB tuner is getting is too weak.
One other thing worth noting, I also have a Gigabyte Motherboard. But personaly, I don't think that is the problem. I might try changing the USB part of the tuner from the internal pin connection method to the external cable method (if you know what I'm talking about), to see if that makes any difference. But my theory is that the USB tuner gets a lower signal, which is what is causing your CH10 and my SBS not to work on it.
Please keep me updated.
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Go give it a try. Its a very small download.
You get the utility from here:
http://www.salloway.org.uk/mediacent...ndex.htm#tuner
Thanks, It worked,
I can now watch and record! channel 10 - AWSOME!

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Re: No TV Signal

I have had 3 annoying issues since building my HTPC a year ago. 2 of them I have now fixed - Low/No Signal issues (which I always put down to needing an antenna upgrade, but at the time was renting), and very slow channel changes which really annoyed me when I was channel surfing (I now know both were associated with the average Dvico tuner). The last issue is LiveTV motion stutter with some programs on TV on all channels. I say some programs because some play smooth some don't. I believe its to do with if the program being broadcast is NTSC or PAL. And I think it because The Vista Media Center (VMC) program changes the refresh rate to 60Hertz everytime it starts up, where in Australia, most local TV is 50Hertz, so VMC - or the decoder (I use PureVideo by the way - which is not fully compatible with VMC - but still works way better than the Microsoft one) - or the Graphics card - don't handle the conversion very smoothly.

Do you or anyone else have anything to add regarding this last issue I would like to clear up??

My DVD's play fine with the Nvidia PureVideo decoder (and I have many PAL and imported NTSC movies - all fine).
I'm very happy with the quality of avi (DivX) playback using the Vista Codec Package (which I can highly recommend http://www.jtow.net/users/triess/).
My graphics card is an Nvidia 7600GS - does anyone think upgrading this now to a 8600GT would help?
I run my VMC at 1080i (1834x1040).

I have had my HTPC for a year now, and have encountered many issues and managed a solution for most of them (original install was XP MCE) - so I consider myseld a bit of a whiz. So, if anyone else has any questions, or tips - feel free to post.
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