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Old 29th January 2005, 02:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Archiving DVDs for use on a MCE Extender - A Beginners Guide

Notably missing from the Media Center Extender feature set is the ability to playback DVD movies via the Media Center PC.

Assuming you haven't built a small form factor HTPC and installed in it your living room, you may instead choose to use your main PC (with MCE 2005 interface) together with a Media Center Extender. Under that scenario, your extender would sit in your A/V rack as a component of the home theatre. As a result you'd probably finish up with a DVD player, an extender, a receiver, and a television that all work together to serve your home theatre needs. If you’re only looking to watch traditional DVDs (on disc) under that setup, your best bet would be to purchase a standalone DVD player.

If, however, you’re looking to be able to archive your movies to the hard drive of your MCPC and then have quick and easy access to your library through your extender, then you’ll need to take a different approach. This isn't a new thing, people have been creating DVD archives for quite some time now and standard formats have begun to emerge (some are well entrenched and some are emerging bright spots, and there’s plenty of mini-battles going on still amongst formats). Some of the common formats you’ll see out there include:

VCD - MPEG1 compressed version of a DVD that fits on one or more CDs.
SVCD - MPEG2 compressed version of a DVD that fits on one or more CDs or DVDs.
DIVX/XVID - MPEG4 compressed version of a DVD that fits on one or more CDs or DVDs.
WMV - Windows Media compressed version of a DVD, generally used for streaming and commercial services.

WMV is the least common of those formats but is being seen more often now in areas where digital rights management is important (such as legal online movie distribution). DIVX/XVID seem to be the most common emerging format (with lots of good tools as well), but it is not supported by the Media Center Extender.

So now let’s delve into a bit more detail about how this impacts the Media Center Extender platform. Unlike a the Media Center PC, the extender plays back video only using a decoder chip that it has built into the hardware. This means that the extender can only decode video & audio formats that are understood by the chip and cannot use the software decoders that are installed on your PC (Divx for example is a software-based decoder at this time). This is very similar to the way most DVD players work - the majority can only play back DVDs using MPEG2 and AC3 audio, while some have specialised decoder chips inside them that can also play back JPEG, MP3, and Windows Media. The chip inside the extenders can play back the following formats only:

Windows Media 9 Audio and Video (standard profiles only)
MPEG-1 video and audio
MPEG-2 video and audio

Additionally, the chip can only play back video with an aspect ratio of 4:3. Aspect ratios seem like a pretty simple concept, but there’s a lot of odd magic that happens to make them work. See this doom9 article on aspect ratios to get a good feel for the complexities. Basically, you can still play back 16:9 video in a letterboxed format without any problems but may have some difficulty playing 16:9 anamorphic video on the extender. Don’t worry, we can work around that.

So what are the gaps between the information stored on a DVD and what we can play back with the extender? The video on all DVDs is stored using MPEG2, which our extender can deal with just fine. However, the extender’s inability to deal with AC3 (Dolby Digital) audio causes it significant heartburn. Most DVDs use AC3 as the standard audio format, which immediately means that we can’t use it on the extender. We will need to transcode the AC3 audio into something that the extender recognises before it will play back properly. Additionally, the DVD menu system is something that is unique to DVD players and we won’t be able to use on the extender. Finally, most new DVDs use 16:9 anamorphic aspect ratios which we’ll need to fix as well.

The most flexible way of achieving any video conversion is by using a cascading mix of software components, but that may be overly complex for the majority of us. Wherever possible, it would be easier to one or two pieces of software. Note that any DVD conversion will take several hours of computing time, regardless of the software chosen.

So where does that leave us for when MCE Extenders finally arrive? Well in a nutshell, if we want to be able to access DVD movies using an extender, they'll need to be modified and archived.

So let's throw this open to everyone, what do you use to "backup" your DVDs bearing in mind that to be accessible by your extender, the output will need to be either Windows Media or MPEG (1 or 2) video and audio?
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Old 12th September 2005, 01:17 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Archiving DVDs for use on a MCE Extender - A Beginners Guide

Hi,

The easy way is to have a second MCE Media Server and use it as a Extender. The main server holds recorded TV, Music, Movies. Video's, Pictures etc. The second MCE holds only its own recorded TV which can also been seen by the Main MCE server.The second MCE server does not need to have much harddisk space and can be built quite cheap.

Some coding skills are required and network folder permissions etc are needed on the main MCE server. Best results are over UTP cable and not Wireless. Some minor changes to the My Movies module required but the rest is manageable.

Or have a look at Inteset website and their Denzel Media Server line up. They have developed a program that runs in the background that lets you do all of the above. There Denzel Server is about $5,400.00 AUS and has 1 Terabyte of disk storage. You would probably get it cheaper as you don't need there US tuner cards.
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Re: Archiving DVDs for use on a MCE Extender - A Beginners Guide

I have got to say. If extenders are limited in functionality to that extent and MS expects them to support proprietary formats only then I hope they don't expect to sell to many of them.

What a joke. Again they have got to realise that poeple want to view their media in whatever format it's in. Having to convert anything to anything else for the sake of the playback device is insane.

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Re: Archiving DVDs for use on a MCE Extender - A Beginners Guide

I wonder whether the xbox360 supports divx / xvid? Does anyone know?
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Re: Archiving DVDs for use on a MCE Extender - A Beginners Guide

http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.ph...ic=366778&st=0

Sadly in line with what arkay was saying, it would seem the only way to watch anything you have in divx/xvid even if you paid for it is to convert it to a supported format (wmv being the most obvious). There is some whisper it may support divx, but even then MS would have to license its usage. It costs them more therefore we will prob have ot wait until someone either finds a workaround or XBMC 260 is released.
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Re: Archiving DVDs for use on a MCE Extender - A Beginners Guide

Guys,

I am really stuggling with ripping DVDs to my MCE PC. Basically I need to rip the DVDs to an MPEG2 file so I can stream it through my xbox extender. I have found one piece of software (AoA DVD ripper) which seems to be good at doing the job, but fails to rip all movies. So far it struggles with The Matrix, Star Wars and Alien trilogies.

Could someone please let me know of any software (freeware or to buy) that will rip the DVDs without fail? AoA DVD ripper seems to get to a certain chapter and then return to the beginning of the movie! The support is poor too.

Any help would be greatly appreciated - this is starting to "do my head in" now!

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Re: Archiving DVDs for use on a MCE Extender - A Beginners Guide

Hi,

Try DVD Decrypter or CladDVD, add the program to More Programs in MCE. DVD Decrypter can be set up to automatically point to the right directory and create the new folder movie name. Use the File Option for DVD Decrypter so it copies the DVD in the same format. I you want to remove more features use the ISO or one of the other formats to rip. You will need to add the My Movies Module to MCE and the new version will call up DVD Decrypter automaticaly so you do not need to add DVD Decrypter to More Programs in MCE.
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Re: Archiving DVDs for use on a MCE Extender - A Beginners Guide

Thanks for this - however, now that I have tried it, it does not work when you try to playback the movie through an xbox media center extender. From what I can gather, the extender will only play back MPEG2 (SVCD) files, and it is here where I am having my troubles.
I need a fool-proof way of ripping my DVDs to MPEG2 so that I can stream them through my extender. As I said in an earlier post, the piece of software that I bought for this purpose does not seem to rip all DVDs (So far it struggles with The Matrix, Star Wars and Alien trilogies). It seems to get stuck at the same point each time I try to rip the movie.
Therefore, if anyone knows of a piece of software that will rip all movies without fail, please, please, please let me know.

Thanks in advance!
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Re: Archiving DVDs for use on a MCE Extender - A Beginners Guide

Hi,

Have you tried running DVD Decrypter first, and then running AoA DVD ripper against the decrypted output?

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Re: Archiving DVDs for use on a MCE Extender - A Beginners Guide

personaly i prefer the rat format , it offers excellent compression and quality a 4.3 gig file can compressed to 600mb with excellent quality , media player 10 also supports rat , as yet being new to MC i havent had much time to test how MC performs with rat , but for me , it would be the format of choice
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