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IceTV Iced The Nine Network
IceTV Iced The Nine Network
Published by JNRidgway15
9th August 2007
IceTV Iced The Nine Network

Today the final verdict of the case between Nine Network and IceTV was handed down by Justice Annabelle Bennett at the Federal Court of Australia in Sydney, she said that IceTV in repurposing television program information, was not actually engaged in broadcasting but representing information that was not the copyright of the nine network.

Nine had claimed an electronic program guide produced by Sydney company IceTV, for use in PCs and digital video recorders, breaches copyright by reproducing the scheduling and titles of Nine's TV programs. IceTV has been fighting the claim. Opening arguments began in Sydney's Federal Court before Justice Annabelle Bennett on the 16th of October 2006 and ran for Six days. At the heart of the case is the potential to make it easier for viewers to "time shift", or record and watch multiple programs at any time. Commercial networks are concerned this allows them to skip advertisements. IceTV's subscriber-based guide allows consumers who own digital video recorders with built-in TV tuners to more easily program their DVR to record and view shows. But commercial networks have refused to give programming information to IceTV, which collects it from other sources.

Shortly after the verdict had been handed down Colin O'Brien, Chief exec of IceTV said: "this is a great win. We will now engage in dialogue with several major vendors who want to take our service". Presumably Media Center - HP - LG Topfeild and many others, O'Brien also said: "During the past 18 months, we have burnt up a lot of money running our operation, awaiting this decision. We will not refloat the business immediately." He added: "I believe that the free to air networks will now make their content available to everybody. However, we are very close to rolling out an EPG service via a web browser, as the future is IPTV, including channels that will compete head-on with free-to-air networks in Australia. We can provide a service to these organisations."
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By windeath on 9th August 2007, 11:48 AM
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If these guys start doing a guide with Foxtel and it works with Vista I'm in. Well done...stick that up ya channel 9.
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By pgp66 on 9th August 2007, 12:33 PM
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Well congratulations to ICE-TV for sticking to their guns and fighting Nine, and winning. At least it proves that there must be SOME sensible Judges in the Courts.

Paul

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By AdamTurner on 9th August 2007, 12:35 PM
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From ITWire: "The reasons for the judgement are yet to be released, with the parties in discussions as to which elements are confidential. The judge will hear from the parties before making orders as to costs and has ruled IceTV is not precluded from bringing a claim for unjustified threats of copyright infringement."

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/13930/53/

Looks like IceTV might get some compensation for the effect the lawsuit had on plans to float on the stock exchange.
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By philzgr8 on 9th August 2007, 12:51 PM
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Sensational news.
Now it's over to Microsoft to support the Australian market including companies like IceTV big time to get some market penetration for MCE.
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By drewhiggins on 9th August 2007, 01:11 PM
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Great to hear.
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By MagpieMDP on 9th August 2007, 01:16 PM
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Fantastic result!! Congratulations IceTV. Great to see common sense prevail.
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By MagpieMDP on 9th August 2007, 01:19 PM
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Sensational news.
Now it's over to Microsoft to support the Australian market including companies like IceTV big time to get some market penetration for MCE.
In fact, while it's a great win for IceTv in the short term, doesn't it now open the floodgates for Microsoft to provide its own EPG, and thus threaten IceTV's business model?

Perhaps they could subcontract IceTV to collate the data and descriptions.
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By philzgr8 on 9th August 2007, 01:27 PM
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In fact, while it's a great win for IceTv in the short term, doesn't it now open the floodgates for Microsoft to provide its own EPG, and thus threaten IceTV's business model?

Perhaps they could subcontract IceTV to collate the data and descriptions.
One would think that would make sense but then I'm not sure whether Microsoft are into sharing all that much!
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By ExtremePC on 9th August 2007, 01:45 PM
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What is more likely to happen is that our TV stations will now run out of schedule more as well as more often. We may even start to see totally inacurate schedules, or a lot more alterations at the very last minute.
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By arkay on 9th August 2007, 01:46 PM
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Sit on that and Spin Eddie!

Pity they (the courts), didn't make 9 remove the encryption on their web guide data....
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By ExtremePC on 9th August 2007, 01:50 PM
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What gets me a little concerned is the judge didn't say the data was not copyrightable, but only that the copyright did not belong to the nein network.

"representing information that was not the copyright of the nine network"

That to me is like a red flag for nine to try and find a way to actually make the guide "copyright of the nine network" as there was nothing in the Judges statement that said it couldn't be done. Sorry for thinking like a lawyer but as they say ..."know your enemy"
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By davidgol on 9th August 2007, 01:52 PM
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What is more likely to happen is that our TV stations will now run out of schedule more as well as more often. We may even start to see totally inacurate schedules, or a lot more alterations at the very last minute.
So maybe that should be the next battle .. how to get the TV stations to actually broadcast programs when they say they will. Isn't it false advertising if they don't? How can we coordinate an effort to make this happen? In the UK it's the law - stations have to (and do) start their programs within seconds of when they advertise. Any ideas?
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By ExtremePC on 9th August 2007, 01:59 PM
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So maybe that should be the next battle .. how to get the TV stations to actually broadcast programs when they say they will. Isn't it false advertising if they don't? How can we coordinate an effort to make this happen? In the UK it's the law - stations have to (and do) start their programs within seconds of when they advertise. Any ideas?
Thats a very easy problem to fix, more commercials and advertising and hence more revenue or lets get the government more involved, I'm sure sacraficing even more content to the censor is a small price to pay for having 2 year out of date TV shows run on time.

But of course if pushed hard enough the privately owned stations might just remove publishing guides altogether.
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By mattwalker on 9th August 2007, 02:19 PM
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That is sensational news!!

the next chapter can start to begin...
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