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well that's interesting. So basically all they're doing (if I understand right) is expanding the info broadcast from the current way ('current' program and 'next' program) that most PVRs already receive to a full weeks worth of data. They're not making an XML based (or any other) feed available to be consumed by a device of any sort.
This means that VMC won't benefit from it at all as it does not 'subscribe' to that extended 'over the air' guide info. I doubt they'll also make an internet based version of that feed available.
Does that sound right?
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Yep, there's been discussion about it for a couple of weeks now (that article is from 19/11).
You can use a program to access the data and then get it compiled and into mediacentre (by bladerunner I think) but it's pretty sparse. Certainly not of the quality that FreeEPG or Ice produce.
The other problem I can see with channel supplied guide data is that they are often (deliberately?) slack about tagging repeats as repeats. Mind you, IceTV has been a bit slack on this front lately too.
Justin
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Yep, there's been discussion about it for a couple of weeks now (that article is from 19/11).
doh! That will serve me right for going on holiday to the Sunshine Coast for 2 weeks and not keeping up with the goings on around here .. haha. Probably should have read around a bit before I hit 'reply'
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edit: in case you were wondering .. the waves were utterly sensational. why oh why do I live in melbourne
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Got the inlaws a cheap digital tuner for xmas and while setting it up I noticed it had the full EPG for the whole week for all the channels.
So now the question is; how can we get Media Center to use this data...?
Has anybody tried to just scan their post code (without ICE, Oztive, FreeEpg) and see if anything gets picked up..?
The in-stream EPG is the industry standard method for EPG worldwide, MCE or VMC do not comply with industry standards. The is no current method to get MCE or VMC to natively use the in-stream EPG data, STBs will and do already. The may however be an external application that can read and export the EPG data into XML and then you'd have to use one of the third party applications like Bladerunner to reimport the EPG back into MCE/VMC.
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That which is common to the greatest number has the least care bestowed upon it.
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Broadcasters reserve their rights subject to the Commonwealth Copyright Act 1968, to take legal action at any time for copyright infringement where program listings are used in contravention of these terms.
1968!! I think it is time to change the law to be more in line with the digital age that we are entering.
1968!! I think it is time to change the law to be more in line with the digital age that we are entering.
Why? "Thou Shall Not Steal" has been around for a couple of thousand years and is as good today as it was then .... even, shock horror, in the digital age.
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Why? "Thou Shall Not Steal" has been around for a couple of thousand years and is as good today as it was then .... even, shock horror, in the digital age.
Umm... explain to me how it is considered stealing? Apart from the unique situation in Australia that we have a company HWW that somehow owns the copyright info.
The networks are clinging to old copyright law, that was designed for print media. The world changes. The networks are scared sh!tless that we won't watch FTA TV with the advent of the digital age, so they are just trying to put up as many barriers as they can. But all they are doing is driving people away. If they just stuck to what they should be doing best (ie delivering great tv), then people wouldn't be looking to alternative sources. In fact they should see it as an opportunity, and become pioneers. That way they won't disappear in the future.
Umm... explain to me how it is considered stealing? Apart from the unique situation in Australia that we have a company HWW that somehow owns the copyright info.
Theres no "somehow" about it, there is a clear amd distinct line own ownership of the "Program Guide" as an original body of work. Anyone that creates a body of work no matter how mundane is entittled to claim copyright so long as that claim does not contravene a pre-exisitng contract or terms of use.
While the individual bits of data contained in a TV broadcasting schedule are fact based, when that data is used in the context of an EPG then rights of ownership on the entire "data set" exist and therefore copyright exists. The "data set" can therefore be sold or leased to third parties (HWW) as a product in its own right.
When a third party collates and publishes by any means the same data into a "data set" but uses the first copyrighted "data set" as the source then the copyright has been breached.
A good example is IceTV, their EPG is a data set that may be exactly the same as the HWW's but since the source for IceTV's data set is NOT HWW's guide then no breach exists. Its interesting though that IceTV claims that their data is compiled from predictive analysis of historical "events" only and not from any published data supplied by the TV stations or HWW derrived sources. Its interesting in that IceTV manages to include specific upcoming one off events through historical analysis which seems to me to be an oxymoron.
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That which is common to the greatest number has the least care bestowed upon it.
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Theres no "somehow" about it, there is a clear amd distinct line own ownership of the "Program Guide" as an original body of work.
I have no problem with a company owning the copyright for something they have compiled. eg a program guide compiled from the individual "bits of data". But it seems that in this country, HWW owns the copyright for the "bits of data" too.
My question is, why is this only a problem in Australia??? Probably because of our antiquated laws.
for 2 weeks and not keeping up with the goings on around here .. haha. Probably should have read around a bit before I hit 'reply' 
