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Old 7th December 2005, 09:32 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Speaker Question?

Rightyo guys

havent been around for a while but i yet have a question.

ive stumbled across a deal i think is great value but wanted to see if you guys are aware of any issue.

basically - i can get 3 sets of Floor Standing Speakers - at the same price as what it would cost me to get 1 set of floor standing as well as the surround speakers.

im setting up a 7.1 Surround Sound System in a new house im building and at the moment i have a mate that has three sets of floor standing speakers that he is trying to get rid of.

the speakers themselves work a treat and i was actually very much considering them as my floor standing speakers anyways.

however, the question i have is this.

Floor Standing Speakers - can they be used as surround speakers?

or are surround speakers designed in such a way that i should only be looking at surround speakers for the rear and side speakers.

To me - i cant really see why there would be anything wrong with having three times floor standing speaker - as compared to a 1 x floor standing speakers and 2 x surround sound speakers.

if anything i would imagine the system would work better with 3 sets of floor standing speakers?

what do you guys think?
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Old 7th December 2005, 02:25 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Speaker Question?

I would imagine it depends on a couple of things

1) that the speakers are really only containing tweeters (treble)
2) you have a stand alone bass unit (air mover non directional)
3) your amp or audio card has 5.1 or 7.1 capability. Then only treble (high frequency) connections direct to each speaker. L-Front, R-Front etc etc

The problem with floor standing speakers is that they would probably have bass speakers in them and that the signal will split off in the speaker unit. You will probably end up with too much base around the place.

But hey I am not an expert on surround sound.
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Old 7th December 2005, 02:55 PM   #3 (permalink)

 
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Re: Speaker Question?

I use 4 Jensen DX-90's for my fronts and rears. These are all floor standing, all full range 20hz-20Khz, and all include a built in powered subwoofer.

It sounds AWESOME

My personal take on it is that in most "surround" application you don't need the rears/sides doing a great deal, they are there to fill in the ambience, most of the sound comes from front and center, that is why many people will say you don't need much for the sides/rears.

My personal opinion is that the rear/sides should have every bit as much punch and grunt as the rest.

I say this as I like to listen to my audio in full 5.1 channel stereo mode and I need the grunt from every speaker for that.

I don't think you'll have any problems with excessive bass and you can always adjust that down so your bass is evenly distributed across the entire sound stage. This in my opinion is optimal rather than having rears that can't cut it and hoping that the fronts will "fill in the gaps".

They also say sub bass is not directional but I can assure you that when you get 4 of them surrounding you the effect is much more pleasing

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Re: Speaker Question?

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My personal opinion is that the rear/sides should have every bit as much punch and grunt as the rest.

I say this as I like to listen to my audio in full 5.1 channel stereo mode and I need the grunt from every speaker for that.
While I have no doubt that what you are getting is a really GOOD sound, what you are describing here is not, strictly speaking, surround sound. This is stereo with two left and two right speakers. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just different to true 5.1.

The reason most surround speakers are smaller than the mains is that in home theatre applications the rears are mixed to be ambience and effect only. The main work is done by the front speakers, dialogue directed predominately to the centre speaker, so the rears are not required to perform at the levels that the fronts are, and certainly not for the extended periods the fronts are driven for. Also, small speakers can still be very "punchy" and give plenty of sound, particularly when they are mixed well with the rest of the sound stage.

You are correct in saying bass is directional, of course it is. To say otherwise is a mis-quote (albeit a common one), what is more correct is that bass is not perceived as directional as higher frequencies. This is because often the wavelength is the same as the room length.

My amplifier has modes that break stereo into "psuedo-surround" such as rock concert. conert hall, etc. This just puts the stereo output to the rears at a lower level and with a slight delay to produce the ambience of teh concert hall and make teh lounge room seem bigger. I personally prefer this arrangement to same volume from all four corners because it gives the impression that you are in the audience at a concert rather than sitting amongst the instruments.

Naturally, it's all down to personal preference. The important thing is to understand what you want to achieve and get the speakers that best suit that application.

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Re: Speaker Question?

Glen,

Yes, I was talking about Pseudo Stereo not an actual 5.1 surround audio format. But. I personally do like it thumping from all 5 speakers like I'm sitting right next to the lead singer Which is why I need the grunt...

I never use the Concert Hall etc modes... It's either 5.1 simulated stereo or True AC3/DTS. But my amp does a really nice job of mixing a stereo source into 5 channels + subs.

Doesn't hurt to make the neighbours ears bleed a little either

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Doesn't hurt to make the neighbours ears bleed a little either
Yeah, that's the fun bit.

I tend to get a strange audio problem when I crank up a movie to "reasonable" volume though. A female voice intoning the words "Turn that down. I can't hear Desperate Housewives". Haven't found a way to isolate and remediate that problem yet.
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Re: Speaker Question?

Yeah, I have a similar problem. Made worse by a 4 and 2 y/o who like to sleep when I like to watch adult movies with the volume turned up....

There's no way to win. Just when you get it the way you like it you find you're almost reduced back to mono anyway

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Re: Speaker Question?

thanks for the reply guys

in the end of actually decided to go with the spefic speakers performing specific roles.

i.e. floor standing, surrounds etc..

these are the speakers im actually getting

Klipsch RF-25 Floor Standing Speakers - $1699 (Front Speakers)
http://www.klipsch.com/product/product.aspx?cid=632


Klipsh RC-25 Centre Speaker - $599 (Centre Speaker)
http://www.klipsch.com/product/product.aspx?cid=642


Klipsch RS-25 Surround Speakers - $429 (Rear & Side Speakers)
http://www.klipsch.com/product/product.aspx?cid=644


Klipsch RW-10 Subwoofer - $1049 (Subwoofer)
http://www.klipsch.com/product/product.aspx?cid=653


anyone use these are can give me a recommendation?
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Re: Speaker Question?

Sorry, I haven't had any experience with these ones. I use Richter all round except for the sub which is a Velodyne and I'm happy with these.

The Klipsch do look good though
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Re: Speaker Question?

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Sorry, I haven't had any experience with these ones. I use Richter all round except for the sub which is a Velodyne and I'm happy with these.

The Klipsch do look good though
What is proably considered one of the best speakers in the world is actually produced locally by a company called Duntech.

The also make an exceptional HT range of speakers that outclass everything else out there.

www.duntech.com.au
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What is proably considered one of the best speakers in the world is actually produced locally by a company called Duntech.

The also make an exceptional HT range of speakers that outclass everything else out there.

www.duntech.com.au

cheers mate, but what do they set you back?

they look like i would have to get a double mortage to pay for them
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