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Does anyone other than me think we are over-regulated?
Yes.
I read a stat about 18 months ago that the amount of federal written law in Australia doubled by volume in the last 10 years. IMHO, sadly a sign of the litigious times we have managed to follow in from the US as we start to live in a society where no one takes responsibility for their own actions and must always have another party to blame.
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I read a stat about 18 months ago that the amount of federal written law in Australia doubled by volume in the last 10 years. IMHO, sadly a sign of the litigious times we have managed to follow in from the US as we start to live in a society where no one takes responsibility for their own actions and must always have another party to blame.
I don't understand why you are making that comment, I thought you were pro more legislation, government control and law?
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Does anyone other than me think we are over-regulated?
Wonder who that's aimed at?
The wiring situation is the same as grey water rules - you can buy a pipe at Bunnings & do what you like, but try & put a permanent solution in & it's red tape, fees & rules galore.
The truth is, you're more likely to cause problems with a temporary hotch potch than you are wit a permanently installed (& thought out) situation.
Justin
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What I mean is if someone was to turn up even to inspect a gas installation I simply won't let them in.
You don't have to. But you do either have to produce a valid installation certificate or provide evidence the appliance has not yet been connected. As far as I am aware, gas appliances that connect to the town gas are the only items that have that requirement under the legislation.
I don't understand why you are making that comment, I thought you were pro more legislation, government control and law?
Every day can bring a surprise
I certainly am not a fan of more legislation for the sake of it. In general I believe the government should stay out of things where possible (and back out once no longer needed if they did need to get involved), that includes trying to be in business and setting rules.
Legislation almost always results in people paying more for things and situations getting more complex. Of course we do need some. The point of discussion is always how much, and which legislation is right.
In this case, given that there is isolation equipment in place to protect the public infrastructure and there is no risk to life, I say let people do what they want! If they break their stuff then its its their issue. If we were talking 240VAC stuff, then no, because the next person who buys the house, or is just a visiting might be killed by bodgy power wiring.
A full 256 shades of grey on this one
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I think one of the big items every seems to forget is that the rules of installing fixed cabling in a house is there to protect you. How many of you who say you should be able to do what you want in your own house, know the Australian Safety Standards S009:2006 and S008:2006 (These are mandaatory standards). Because you are installing into an area that has low voltage cabling (240V) you need to follow the rules so other people do not get hurt. Did you know that you have have either a physical seperation or at least 50mm between data cabling and low voltage cabling, or that there needs to be at least 150mm separation between a GPO and data outlet (speaker outlet) faceplate.
Any fixed cabling or patch leads that are used as fixed cabling, i.e. run through a wall, need to be installed by a licenced person if that cabling is used for connection to a carrier network. That's what the legislation implies. I think this needs to include hdmi cables and so forth to projectors, etc.
Now I know that all of the above makes me sound like a chump, but it is there to stop people being hurt and/or killed by low voltage systems.
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...the Australian Safety Standards S009:2006 and S008:2006 (These are maandatory standards). Because you are installing into an area that has low voltage cabling (240V) you need to follow the rules so other people do not get hurt. Did you know that you have have either a physical seperation or at least 50mm between data cabling and low voltage cabling, or that there needs to be at least 150mm separation between a GPO and data outlet (speaker outlet) faceplate.
That is exactly why I asked the Building Commission as well as ACMA. They, however, did not provide any on the above useful information!
I had already intended to use conduit as a physical barrier for antenna and a/v in-wall wiring - now I know to keep things 50mm apart in the wall and have a minimum spacing for wall plates.
G'day Kingsville,
The topics I mentioned only cover a fraction of the relative material you need to know.
The legislation is there to not only protect you but other trades people who expect the right things to have been done.
S009 is free, so do a google search, download it, and read it. It has a few hundred pages.
There are also other standards that are required, i.e. AUS/NZ 3080.
The information I provided before may not even be upto date or accurate (that's my disclaimer).
The ACMA "restricted" licence is usually a three day course and lets you install cabling in non comercial dwelliings. Spend $500 or there abouts. It's a small price to pay for you life or someone else's.
Yes, I do know of real injuries and deaths from incorrect cabling in data and electrical. These have been from DIYers and tradesmen (women). Remember, it is your responsibitlity to keep up with legistlation.
Now, I need to go and have a drink and do something illegal as that is too much goody toshoes for one thread.
I run an extension cord from my networked pc to the powerpoint, I wonder if that means I need an electrician to install it if I run it along the skirting board.
Just to be a cat amongst pigeons, ONLY if you fix it using clips or staples. FIXED wiring requires an electrician. Now for the good bit, I can attach a socket board to a desk, and then staple the cable tidily to it, and only an electrician is allowed to remove the cable once it's fixed. How stupid is that?
G'day,
your interpretation of "fixed" is a little left field.
"fixed" is used as a general concept of permenant cabling. If you go through the "standards" it will explain the exact wording of what components an electrician or acma open registration licence holder must do.
Just remember that "fixed" is a term used to help non technical people understand, in a broad sense only, what should and shouldn't be completed by people without the appropiate licences.
Tell that to the electrical inspector up this way, it was his interpretation upon seeing me relocate a plug pack at a work desk. I have a restricted licence for electrical and open cabling registration but some PITA's don't want to let me do what is legal. I can't even test and tag at work despite being able to show that as one of the subjects I did to get my restricted electrical, yet anyone with a test and tag licence can.
