network cable set-up through walls

jonnynail · **23rd April 2007, 12:03 PM**

I have set-up a network in my apartment connecting my everyday pc in a spare room to my media center in the living room..

I want to now run the network cable through the wall.. but not sure who would the best to set this up for me..? does anyone have anyone they know or can recommend that could do this..? is it a job for an electrician or someone else......?

DDH · **23rd April 2007, 07:59 PM**

Drill a hole, push through a premade cable that you bought, perhaps just longer than the other ones networking "close" PCs. If you want to neaten it all up, then perhaps even buy a wall plate and cable surround.

If you did want to go the "whole hog" and have sockets in wall plates then you need someone with the right tools to fot the sockets, probably that electrician who does cabling too.

yahds_shad · **24th April 2007, 01:23 AM**

you actually need to have a registered cabler in your area do this work someone who is registered with the ACMA "Australian Communications and Media Authority" as a registered cabler please verify whoever comes to do the work as being registered it wont cost you any extra but it is the best way to verify that you have the job done properly alot of us in the communications industry see very dodge cabling work done by people who claim to know what they are doing but dont and dont have a licence to do the work.!!

Rumbaar · **26th April 2007, 01:27 PM**

I'm sure you don't need a registered cabler for your own personal home CAT5/6 networking. Maybe if it was the phone or maybe even your pay TV cable, but not home network setup.

I just read the likes of "Jim's Antennas" do hidden cable installations and the like, with a free quote. Can't hurt in a call.

I know in my two storey place, with the help of a mate I was able to run speakers and network cable under the floor to socket points and to the second storey and roof with not too much problem. The biggest issue is finding the room and direct path, but if you have those then you are set.

falcc · **26th April 2007, 02:06 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rumbaar

I'm sure you don't need a registered cabler for your own personal home CAT5/6 networking.

Sorry, but you are very wrong.

http://internet.aca.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD//pc=PC_1685

Another common assumption is that any electrician can do the work. This is not the case, unless they are a registered cabler.

bigbob · **26th April 2007, 02:19 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by falcc

Sorry, but you are very wrong.

http://internet.aca.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD//pc=PC_1685

Another common assumption is that any electrician can do the work. This is not the case, unless they are a registered cabler.

falcc,

You need a registered person to do the phone lines as per your link. As for network cabling my interpretation is that it does not require a qualified person (however is probably a good idea), I got the same view from a Jim's technician that did some work for me recently (they were qualified).

bob

Rumbaar · **26th April 2007, 02:40 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by falcc

Sorry, but you are very wrong.

http://internet.aca.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD//pc=PC_1685

Another common assumption is that any electrician can do the work. This is not the case, unless they are a registered cabler.

Unless you are running a phone line over that CAT5/6 cable I don't think your link is applicable to a home network.

I wont say you are very wrong, but maybe mistaken in your assumption.

vlad · **26th April 2007, 02:50 PM**

Or you can use something like this:
Netcomm Turbo HomePlug Ethernet over Power, NP285, Twin Pack

You can get it from http://www.fluidtek.com.au/ for $149 AUD

They are using your power cabling to do the networking. No Drilling and you can take it to the next flat/house

falcc · **26th April 2007, 08:39 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rumbaar

Unless you are running a phone line over that CAT5/6 cable I don't think your link is applicable to a home network.

I wont say you are very wrong, but maybe mistaken in your assumption.

I'm not assuming. I am a registered cabler and I've lost count on how many times I've corrected people on this topic so I apologise if I seemed a bit short in my previous post.

Basically if permanent or concealed cabling is to be installed (and passing through a wall IS seen as permanent/concealed) then it must be installed by a registered cabler in accordance with S009 2006 The Wiring Rules

S009 2006 was adopted by the ACMA in 2006. See this link. Some important quotes in that link:-

All customer cabling work in the telecommunications, fire security and data industries must be performed by a registered cabler......

The standard AS/ACIF S009:2006 Installation requirements for customer cabling (Wiring Rules) applies to the installation and maintenance of fixed or concealed cabling or equipment that is connected, or is intended to be connected, to a telecommunications network.

We had this drummed into us when I did my training for my open licence. This topic was
also raised on Whirlpool so often that they posted a sticky stating the facts.

Basically the OP should look for a registered cabler in their area and get a quote. They should then ensure that they see the cablers registration card and that they are provided with a TCA1 form at the completion of the works.

Quite simply, it is illegal to perform cabling work unless you are registered.

Jimmy_Jones · **26th April 2007, 09:22 PM**

Guys,

Have to agree with yahds_shad & Falcc on this one.

You will find that most of the Jim antenna guys are registered cablers because of the work that they do. I know there were a few on my course.

There are a lot of rules and regulations that should be followed when installing any sort of data cabling mainly for safety reasons.

Thanks
Jim

instrotech · **26th April 2007, 09:55 PM**

Was this guy renting? If so, then yes you really should listed to these guys. If not - it's your house - just smash a hole through the wall and chuck the cable through!

Seriously, I understand the various requirements for the regs but unless the guy is about to terminate next to a power outlet what the hell is the big 'safety concern'....

ExtremePC · **27th April 2007, 12:38 AM**

Hey falc,

I've seen more registered and acredited cablers who would not know the difference between and RJ45 and a BNC connector 5 minutes after passing the tests than those that do. I've also seen some DIY work so good that it would make an FA18 loomer cry.

Acreditation just means your allowed to do it and not that you are actually capable of doing the work, with how easy it is to pass you can basically wipe your butt with the certificate for all its worth.

PS. Absolutely not questioning your own skills.

falcc · **27th April 2007, 08:52 AM**

You're right, there is a LOT of dodgy work out there. It's like any trade/profession I guess, there are good and bad ones! Until the ACMA starts conducting more audits and actually slapping some decent fines around it probably won't improve much.

Unfortunately a lot of people rely on Telstra tech opinions. The problem with that is very few of them seem to be up to speed with cabling requirements on the customer side of the Network Boundary. The majority of them seem to do everything possible to NOT touch the customer side if possible.

I guess the point is that if you do use a registered cabler (and make sure you are given a TCA1 from) you are covered if something does go wrong. I've heard of insurance companies not paying up because work wasn't done by a registered cabler.

DDH · **27th April 2007, 10:21 AM**

While I will not debate the legalities (simply because I don't know), if this is in fact true, then please God save me from the gross overlegislation and stupidity that would even consider to say that buying a 20m Cat x cable from Disk Smith and pushing it through the ceiling is illegal!