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Old 2nd August 2008, 10:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Major breakthrough in power generation!!!

Please read this article:
http://www.itwire.com/content/view/19789/1170/
If it is true, then we will have cars running on water in 10 years
I have made some comments there, by the name of Scientist
Again, if true - amazing discovery
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Please read this article:
http://www.itwire.com/content/view/19789/1170/
If it is true, then we will have cars running on water in 10 years
I have made some comments there, by the name of Scientist
Again, if true - amazing discovery
Oldish news, I've been looking at HHO gas for about a year now. If you google HHO you'll find a lot of people are already producing HHO gas to various degrees of success, in fact I'm in the process of building my own test setup at the moment, the difference is you don't actually need all those exotic materials.

For years we have been told that to split water into hydrogen and oxygen needs more power in than can be extracted from burning hydrogen, well that myth has finally been busted and a lot of scientist are now saying you require very minimal power to fracture water.

The other myth of course is people quoting the laws of thermodynamics which state you can't get more out of the process than you put in. Whereas the process of cracking water and then buring the hydrogen is more like using a long lever to move a heavy object.

The unfortunate thing about all this is that its an economy killer, bring it about too fast and it will collapse nearly all economies overnight by wiping out a massive percentage of the value of the global stock market. I'd say that would be the primary reason things arn't moving along much faster than they are.

You might also like to do a google and Youtube search for "Stan Meyer".
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Re: Major breakthrough in power generation!!!

No, my smarter brother
They are not going to burn that hydrogen, but combine it with oxygen back to water, using again catalytic process. And produce more energy out of second.
Read the original MIT article, or my comments to the iTWire.
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Re: Major breakthrough in power generation!!!

Something else you might like to look at Vlad, with your background, is biodiesel. I made my first test batch of about 10 litres the other day and its totally car ready. No modifications needed to a diesel engine at all and it costs about 40 - 50 cents a litre to make in small batches and goes down to about 25-35 cents per litre for quantities above 100 litres! That's 25-35 cents per litre for diesel fuel you can run in your standard diesel engine car!

I'd love to get to a point where I can run a generator off either biodiesel or HHO in conjunction with a grid tie and spin my power meter backwards .... legally no less!
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Something else you might like to look at Vlad, with your background, is biodiesel. I made my first test batch of about 10 litres the other day and its totally car ready. No modifications needed to a diesel engine at all and it costs about 40 - 50 cents a litre to make in small batches and goes down to about 25-35 cents per litre for quantities above 100 litres! That's 25-35 cents per litre for diesel fuel you can run in your standard diesel engine car!

I'd love to get to a point where I can run a generator off either biodiesel or HHO in conjunction with a grid tie and spin my power meter backwards .... legally no less!
I do appreciate the effort, but..
Bio-disel is only a part of total picture. We have to recycle as much as we can. But it is not a solution to the problem.
California is using more petrol then any other country in the world except USA.
One state.
****es me off when Bush tells that the growing market for fuel drives the price up. China or India. California is the state which consumes more petrol than China, or India, or any other country.
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No, my smarter brother
They are not going to burn that hydrogen, but combine it with oxygen back to water, using again catalytic process. And produce more energy out of second.
Read the original MIT article, or my comments to the iTWire.
I saw that they had some kind of process of combining hydrogen and oxygen that can generate electricity but I don't either know enough about chemistry or its hype but either way storing hydrogen is a fairly dangerous thing to do, yes?
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I do appreciate the effort, but..
Bio-disel is only a part of total picture. We have to recycle as much as we can. But it is not a solution to the problem.
California is using more petrol then any other country in the world except USA.
One state.
****es me off when Bush tells that the growing market for fuel drives the price up. China or India. California is the state which consumes more petrol than China, or India, or any other country.
Ha! the growing fuel market wouldn't and shouldn't make a differnce to pricing if only they'd admit peak oil is a myth and or finally admit to and start using the oil in the Alaskan oil fields which are larger than those in the middle east AND finally admit oil IS NOT fossil fuel!
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I saw that they had some kind of process of combining hydrogen and oxygen that can generate electricity but I don't either know enough about chemistry or its hype but either way storing hydrogen is a fairly dangerous thing to do, yes?
No, they are not going to store hydrogen, my bro had his PHD in this area, and 20 years later, no big breakthrough .
What they do is using some electricity to initiate H and O separation, then they collect them and combine into water with more electricity then spend on the initial process.
If it is true, that it is a modern perpetual engine.
I hope, but sceptical.
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Ha! the growing fuel market wouldn't and shouldn't make a differnce to pricing if only they'd admit peak oil is a myth and or finally admit to and start using the oil in the Alaskan oil fields which are larger than those in the middle east AND finally admit oil IS NOT fossil fuel!
Alaskan fuel fields are not bigger then Arabia's, but Canada's oil sands are the same in size. So here in Australia we have oil sands.
Look at Discovery - Modern Marvels - Canada Oil Sands to understand that oil crysis is a myth.
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water is good if you are a country like New Zealand where they have abundance of water.

However in Australia where we do not currently get enough rain to support life and farmers, this is just adding more pressure to a limited source at the moment.
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I saw that they had some kind of process of combining hydrogen and oxygen that can generate electricity but I don't either know enough about chemistry or its hype but either way storing hydrogen is a fairly dangerous thing to do, yes?
Yes...see here.

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