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Interesting article - cosmology, not a light reading.

I found this article, it makes some waves in scientific circles at the moment.
http://space.newscientist.com/articl...1_head_dn14200

It shows how little we know, and how easy we are to assume any theories
It seems that universe will bite us for many ions to come
In my opinion we will re-discover universe every 100 years or so, but I will not be there to get exited

To understand fractals:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiiYqG3XBiY
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Re: Interesting article - cosmology, not a light reading.

Yes. Very interesting.

Of course none of it will matter when the entire lot will be eventually devoured by a small dog.

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Many cosmologists find fault with their analysis, largely because a fractal matter distribution out to such huge scales undermines the standard model of cosmology
Interesting that they can define limits (huge scale), around a fractal distribution which could quite easily be limitless.

All leads me to the undeniable conclusion that we really have no idea about anything and that when we create and accept a plausible theory the ramifications of it have the effect of changing our reality to suit. Does your head in....

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Interesting that they can define limits (huge scale), around a fractal distribution which could quite easily be limitless.
I think that human mind resist anything limitless and forever
It is much easier - we live and die, stars live and die, universe live and die, but get resurrected time to time, just like Jesus

But fractals are limitless, it will be interesting to see if anyone will come up with some other theory than Big Bang, which always smelled like creation for me.
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I think that human mind resist anything limitless and forever
It is much easier - we live and die, stars live and die, universe live and die, but get resurrected time to time, just like Jesus

But fractals are limitless, it will be interesting to see if anyone will come up with some other theory than Big Bang, which always smelled like creation for me.
I share a theory,

THe universe has ALWAYS existed, life has ALWAYS existed and there is only ONE universe. Life, the universe and everything as axiomatic principles. No "big bang", no "begining" of life.

Popularist theory that believes in the multiverse is flawed in that a multiverse that contains infinate variations of the universe also then by virtue has to contain an infinate number of universes that have no other parallel universes as possibilities, which then contraducts itself as a theory.
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But fractals are limitless, it will be interesting to see if anyone will come up with some other theory than Big Bang, which always smelled like creation for me.
I thought about that in my original post but I decided that you can limit the number of iterations the fractal goes to. Look at a fern as an example. Something tells the thing to grow only so many fronds. Each of those are fractal based but they stop at some point. It's like a combination of DNA combined with the mathematical equation to generate the object with the DNA controlling the limits. Perhaps space/time is a similar concept. Either way the concept of scale in basically meaningless to us. We can't possibly know just how big or small anything is. All we do know if that we are limited in our ability to collect and process data. I wonder if we always will be or if there is a finite sum total of everything.

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I wonder if we always will be or if there is a finite sum total of everything.
I doubt humans will ever know. Time is linear to us and universe has only 3 dimensions.
If you are a 2-dimensional creature, for example, it is hard to grasp the third one
But not impossible.
If you can imagine a multi-dimensional creature, which exists everywhere and at any given time.
For such a creature infinite will mean something. For us - it is just a mathematical abstraction.
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