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Old 7th September 2005, 04:17 PM   #25 (permalink)

 
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Re: Arksofts Crunchie Release (v1.1)

Hiya,

Sounds like you've got corrupted dvr-ms files.

To find out for sure go to the folder where you installed dvrmstoolbox and run the dvrmstompeggui program. When it comes up load your dvr-ms file and set the output file and try a straight convert dvr-ms to mpeg. The gui should give you some info on what is going on. The conversion is definately failing on this step. There's only really two possible reasons for this. Either a codec conflict (which shouldn't happen as dvrmstoolbox registeres it's own), or corrupt dvr-ms files.

Perhaps try recording some new files to test with. I've seen some instances where other programs (such as nero recode) can upset the default behaviour of DVRMSToolbox. If you have any other conversion tools installed you may need to remove them (shouldn't have to but it's the nature of the beast with Windows).

Let me know how it goes.

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Re: Arksofts Crunchie Release (v1.1)

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Be interested in your thoughts and whether you have undertaken any of your own testing...

Oh - and great job on the new Crunchie! Makes it all a lot easier for us!

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Hi Frenz,

I've actually been in contact with the author and supplied him a few dvr-ms test clips. Not sure where it will lead yet but once I'm able to I'll be looking into proper ad cutting.

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Re: Arksofts Crunchie Release (v1.1)

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Arkay, when you're back...

Is there any way that the Create subfolders and Rename functions can be extended to support mpeg files that have been previously converted from dvr-ms files? Obviously not if it uses the dvr-ms header for the info but all that info is also contained in the filename.


Also, is there a big difference between 1 and 2 pass encoding? I find the second pass takes up to double the length of time - sometimes an hour for a less than 30 minute show. Is that normal? (p3 1gb ram but mencode only ever runs at 50% cpu)

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Natrat,

Hadn't considered that you may want to rename an mpeg file that was previously a dvr-ms file. Yes I can do it, not sure when but I'll add it to the list of things to do. It only uses the file name to establish the information it needs.

As far as 1 and 2 pass goes the 2 pass is only really necessay if you want the absolute best quality output files. If you're happy with the quality you're getting on single pass then just use that. It's all relative and open to each individual perceptions.

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Re: Arksofts Crunchie Release (v1.1)

WOW!!!!!

Thanks for an absolute brilliant APP! Not only does it work great on my MCE machine, the conversion to AVI means I can now convert the files so I can watch them in superb detail on my PSP on the way to work.

I have spent 2 days (well evenings) trying to figure this out and your app has made it not only easy to do (most of my other attempts were out of sync) but the picture quality on my PSP is outstanding!!

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Re: Arksofts Crunchie Release (v1.1)

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Im so happy I dont even mind if you lot retain the ashes

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Hehe... Now that's funny... Though you know our footballs aren't round and/or black and white right!!
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Re: Arksofts Crunchie Release (v1.1)

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Hadn't considered that you may want to rename an mpeg file that was previously a dvr-ms file. Yes I can do it, not sure when but I'll add it to the list of things to do. It only uses the file name to establish the information it needs.
No worries, ta Arkay. It's not a big thing, and i wouldn't even ask for it at all if the app I needed existed. At the moment I use video-redo to cut out the commercials as I find it's the only thing that works well for that. But it loses sync if i haven't run it through autodvrconvert first. Which then negates crunchies nice subfolder and renaming function. I've found DVREdit is great for cutting the start and end of a film and doesnt lose sync, but i can't figure out how to cut out chunks (ads) within the dvr-ms with it, and it doesn't do automatic ad detection.

DVRedit with automatic ad detection would be my perfect tool, then its all i need to use before running crunchie. I'm sure it or a similar all-in-one tool will be out shortly. I looked at show analyser but couldnt make head nor tail of it.

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Re: Arksofts Crunchie Release (v1.1)

Showanalyser is the next generation of a thing called comskip. It's purpose in life is to detect the ad breaks only and output a cutlist for other programs to use. It doesn't actually remove anything from the file itself. Fortunately for us babgvant (author of DVRMSToolbox) from www.thegreenbutton.com is also working with the Author of showanalyser to get showanayser able to directly analyse dvr-ms files. Once that's working babgvant can add the autocut function to DVRMSToolbox which I can then use in Crunchie. All very complicated but rest assured that progress is being made all the time and that all these things should remain free to use

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Re: Arksofts Crunchie Release (v1.1)

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Since 1.0 topic is closed, can we transfer this post here ( http://www.xpmediacentre.com.au/comm...&postcount=112 ). Since it took me 30 minutes to do the caps and post, I'll be glad if it is not lost...

By the way, I got similar things as the last caps but with normal 16:9 movies. Black bars were removed but the results is an anamorphosed thing. Maybe you should add also a "Force 16:9" switch ? Is there a flag in the original dvr-ms file to drive out an idea of the final ratio we would want ?

The doubledeinterlace stuff renders well on a media center PC, but is very choppy on my Kiss DP500. So, it needs a minimal render power above Sigmatek EM8550 capacity.

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Re: Arksofts Crunchie Release (v1.1)

The post isn't lost and I haven't forgotten it's there. Just have to find time to look at it and work out exactly what's going on with your captures as no one else has ever said anything about problems with aspect ratio detection.

Cheers,
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Yep, just changing those values is all that is required to adapt to the source res. Although, in technical terms you also need to know the exact source res after the crop is performed. You can find this out. If you run Crunchie from the command line like this:

crunchie.exe -d

If will spew out debugging information (to the log and screen), including the crop detection. You should see a line in the output something along the lines of:

"Final crop string is xx:yy:xx:yy"

Those values will tell you what your image was really cropped too. Using values for Ar16:9/AR4:3 any larger or smaller than the values returned will result in scaling of the image.

The ratio is quite simple determined by the size of the crop area. If x > than 640 it assumes 16:9, else 4:3. At some point I need to make this more accurate as it propably won't work for HD files etc.
Hi,

Maybe you can point out a rule from the "genre tag" in the dvr-ms files. For instance a profile for films in 16:9 and a 4:3 for old series ?


Here is my results on the first 7'28'' of Alien movie (the original dvr-ms file is 267 463 723 bytes for a resolution of 720x576 with upper and lower black bars and bitrate at 159622kbps) :
Here is a cap at 0:05:30:

the caps is 704x576 (whereas dvr-ms info in Media player says 720... dvr is a tricky guy...)


Default format, double pass, double deinterlace, bitrate 1000, auto-crop with default AR169
=> 640x368, 16:9, 63 611 434 bytes



Default format, double pass, double deinterlace, bitrate 1000, target resolution higher AR169
= > 704x368, 16:9, 63 606 238 bytes... nearly the same size. Rescaling means harder compression ? Seems OK when playing in WMplayer but the caps from Cyberlink PowerDVD shows something else (seems that pixels are not "square"). In Cyberlink I use for the aspect ratio "original video source size". So it seems that WMplayer does a correction when playing the files...



Force 4.3, double pass, double deint, bitrate 1000, auto-crop

no comment.

> What should I do ? Keep the original AR43 and AR169 ini definitions ?
WMPlayer seems to do the apropriate ratio correction when playing, but how to be sure that the file is universal and play well with other environments (MCE, Cyberlink Player, Kiss DP500 player...).


I have another sample. Here is a caps from a MPEG2 file (one extracted from Terratec application) and the original stream appears like that (it is 544x576)...


For this kind of stream, how cruncher will react ? Do I have to force the 4:3 ratio to extend the picture (even if it is cropped afterwards) ? Should you stick to original AR ini settings ?


I found a neat editor for dvr-ms (dcut) but not for plain vanilla Mpeg2. So, if I test crunchie on one of my mpeg2 movie, I have to do it on the whole movie and it takes hours so I prefer to ask you before

Do you have a web reference that treats that mad ratio stuff ?

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Re: Arksofts Crunchie Release (v1.1)

I cant even get into it cause i cant instrall the .net framework?!
The .net framework install tells me i have to install the documentation first - so i do , then still wont install the bits that actually let me run anything - so i cant install the DVRM toolbox without it...

Anyone else have trouble installing the .net framework?
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Re: Arksofts Crunchie Release (v1.1)

If you're using an MCE machine then .net should already be installed. You may need to go to windowsupdate.com and intall the .net patches to get to the right version.

If for some reason that doesn't work and you need to re-install .net you can find a very interesting thread about this here.

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Re: Arksofts Crunchie Release (v1.1)

ok, I have been doing a bit of trouble shooting and it seems to be a problem with DVRMSToolBox... from what I can see its getting stuck here (running DVRMSToolBox) :

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InputFile=C:\Documents and Settings\estefano\My Documents\Personal\Media Center Files\Blazing Saddles_MAX_06_09_2005_09_21_22.dvr-ms
Processing actions, this may take some time!!
Profile = dvrmstompg
Output DVR-MS file as one MPEG stream
Conversion Started: C:\Documents and Settings\estefano\My Documents\Personal\Media Center Files\Blazing Saddles_MAX_06_09_2005_09_21_22.dvr-ms to C:\Documents and Settings\estefano\My Documents\Personal\Media Center Files\1.mpg
0%

and then it stays STUCK HERE and does NOTHING!

I have the complete NERO 6.6.0.15 installed in all 3 machines that I have tested and they all have the exact same behaviour, I will try with a new DVRMS file I recorded today (allthough I really dont think i have corrupted files since I have tested with 5-7 different files)

I will also try to un-install NERO in 1 of my machines to see if that fixes the problem...

any suggestions are welcome!
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