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Old 28th March 2005, 08:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Please help a newbie spec a HTPC

I'm aiming to build a MCE HTPC that will be comfortably capable of simultaneously playing and recording HDTV (hoping M$ will resolve the AC3 dramas ).

I've heard great things about the Dell 24" UltraSharp, but it sounds like it requires a high end ATI video card to power it at WUGXA resolution.

The overriding concern I have is cooling. It sounds like Prescotts run hot - do they still run hot under low-moderate CPU utilisation?

Here's the wish-list so far - I'm hoping to buy it assembled for <$5,000 (inc LCD):

Monitor: Dell 24" Widescreen UltraSharpTM 2405FPW Flat Panel Monitor
Case: Accent HT-400S Silver Home Theatre PC Case
PSU: Antec Phantom 350 Watt ATX12V Power Supply
Mobo: ASUS P5AD2 DELUXE/ WLOM i925X DDR2
TV Tuner: HAUPPAUGE NOVA-T DIGITAL HDTV TUNER FOR MCE (x2)
CPU: INTEL PENTIUM 4 550/ 3.4Ghz/ 800MhzFSB/0.09u/ LGA775
RAM: KINGSTON 1GB 533MHZ DDR2 PC2-4200 80DIMM KVR533D2S4-1G
HDD: Maxtor DIAMONDMAX PLUS 10 300GB 16MB 7200RPM SATA HDD
OS: MICROSOFT WINDOWS XP MEDIA CENTER EDITION 2005 OEM
Remote: MICROSOFT WINDOWS XP MEDIA CENTER REMOTE CONTROL
Video: POWERCOLOR ATI Radeon X800 BRAVO 256MB VIVO PCIE
DVD: PIONEER DVR-109BK 16X DVD-/+R/RW


I've never owned a desktop PC, so this is all new to me. I'd be grateful for any advice

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Re: Please help a newbie spec a HTPC

Hi there saltyballs - welcome to the forum

First - love the name - but I'm not taking that one any further

Your wish list looks strong! I have a preference for dual HDDs using the second for all my data although others prefer a raid set up. I guess for me it's a housekeeping issue, all my data under one dir on one drive = easy backups - old habits I guess

The prescotts do run a little hotter than AMDs but with a good case and decent fans you won't have a problem. I run the same CPU and even on the hottest days I was able to record TV and simultaneously watch a previous recording with no issues at all.

I'm sure the other guys will add to this thread with their personal preferences so by the time we're all done, you'll have the specs for a really kick-ass machine.

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Re: Please help a newbie spec a HTPC

Are they chocolate?

Looks like a nice rig.

The Prescott though will run hot even if it is idling, doesn't seem to be that much of an issue though, they're designed that way, the downside to this though is that the internal components tend to run hot. My prescott idles at 50 degrees and tops out ay 75!! The motherboard is rarely below 40. My Northwood/motherboard is 20 degrees cooler. Whether that means the components will last longer with the cooler board I don't know, but it makes sense to me.

I haven't had a lot to do with the Nova-T's and MCE, I know they're a nice card but they are less frequently used with MCE due to them only recently being shipped with BDA drivers (as far as I know).

My biggest concern with HTPC is noise. There's no such thing as a silent PC but you want to get as close as possible.

Specifically I'd check into the noise of the GPU fan, the cooling method you intend to use for the CPU. The power supply noise level (though this one may be silent, hard to tell without looking it up), and finally the case fans (SilenX have some nice quiet ones).

Next to that I'd see if you can find out a bit about the Asus board and behaviour with MCE, most (older) Asus boards have not worked correctly with S3 Resume from standby, though you can get around it by using hibernate. If you're buying new kit though you want it to work out of the box so to speak. If you're lucky you'll find someone with that board that can give you advice.

The PC you've specced there is very high end for simple TV watching and recording. Many people buy top of the line and only use 20% of the power. Check to make sure that the items you list are the best bang for buck price wise. I run a Northwood 2.66Ghz cpu and can record on 2 channels and watch a previous recording simultaneously without issue.

That may change when it's all HD but even so my CPU runs at < 30% when recording HD on a single tuner due to the dxva video assist the gfx card provides. In addition to that there's pretty much no chance of a HD fix for Australia happening until MCE 2006 which apparently only runs on Longhorn. From past experience an OS upgrade of that magnitude has always required a change in hardware. The point being is that maybe a lower specced machine (thus cheaper), would do the job for now and you can upgrade later to a better specced machine when more is known about the new version of MCE. Trying to go future proof with PC's is a hard thing to do.

At any rate what you have specced there is one nice piece of machinery. Hopefully I've given you a few more things to consider in the quest for the perfect HTPC!

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Re: Please help a newbie spec a HTPC

Thanks for the welcome, and all the info

This AC3 issue is a shocker - are there any workarounds? Is it possible to grab the audio from SD and the picture from HD?

If (and I'm guessing it's a big if) the above is possible, are the two synchronised?

Apprecaite the comments re Asus standby and cooling methods:
  • Has anyone tried a Prescott in a similar HTPC case (ideally the HT-400)? Is the stock 80mm case fan sufficient? What else would you recommend?
  • Anyone running MCE on an ASUS P5AD2 able to overcome the Resume from Standby dramas?
  • Given I'm planning on a fanless PSU, does this exacerbate the cooling problems (I guess it's a heat/noice trade-off?)
Wish they were chocolate - although my wife assures me I'd be watching less TV if they were
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Re: Please help a newbie spec a HTPC

Heh... Dunno, just after Easter, might not be so appealing

Unfortunately there's no work around to the AC3 problem. Now way to use SD Audio on HD.

Hopefully someone can help you with the questions regarding the rest. I've heard that fanless PSU's can run a little hotter but if oyur case cooling is good it won't be an issue.

Stock cooling on my Prescott was a joke. I swear the whole machine used to hover an inch off the floor! I replaced mine with a Zalman CNPS 7700 AlCu. It is much quieter but I have to run it at full speed on my Prescott to get the same level of cooling as the stock cooler.

Also have the same fan on the Northwood and I can run it comfortably at the lowest setting.

Check out the thermaltake XP-120, combined with a nice quiet silenX fan, it should do well on a prescott.

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Re: Please help a newbie spec a HTPC

Thanks Arkay

Both the Thermaltake (/Thermalright?) XP-120 and SilenX sound like great options. There seems to be some talk of counterfeit SilenX fans - is there any truth in this?

Despite all the interest in audio (just don't wanna watch HDTV in silence), my amp is a lowly Onkyo TX-SV525, which only has Dolby Pro Logic and no S/PDIF input.

Do motherboards like the Asus P5AD2 Deluxe provide outputs I can plug into my amp (RCA?) - the only mention I can find in the specs are 8-Channel Audio I/O (and the optical & coax S/PDIF which I can't use)? Worst case, is there something like a headphone jack I can use?
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Re: Please help a newbie spec a HTPC

Maybe it's just me, but I don't see any reason to go so high-end. Why spend huge wads of cash on the latest gear when last season's stuff will see you through admirably.

An AMD 2600XP (or sempron, as it's called these days) an NFORCE 2 M/B (soundstorm type), 512mb 400mhz ram and a striping raid setup and you are as sweet as honey.

Spend that extra moola on HDD space, you're gonna need it.

Unless you want to play Far Cry at full res why spend huge amounts of dough?

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Re: Please help a newbie spec a HTPC

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Do motherboards like the Asus P5AD2 Deluxe provide outputs I can plug into my amp (RCA?) - the only mention I can find in the specs are 8-Channel Audio I/O (and the optical & coax S/PDIF which I can't use)? Worst case, is there something like a headphone jack I can use?
I am using the P5AD2 Deluxe - and yes you get all the usual plugs for front left / right / rear etc... so You can use 5 rca to mini phono plugs to plug it into you amp...
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Both the Thermaltake (/Thermalright?) XP-120 and SilenX sound like great options. There seems to be some talk of counterfeit SilenX fans - is there any truth in this?
Haven't heard anything but I guess it's possible. You should be ok if you buy from one of the larger online stores. I bought a SilenX from pccasegear.com.au and it's definately the real deal. I didn't use in the HTPC though, that's got a Zalman CNPS7700 in it, which is pretty good.

What I really need now is a dead quiet vga cooler for a 6600 GT TDH VGA card... Not easy to find...

Cheers,
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What I really need now is a dead quiet vga cooler for a 6600 GT TDH VGA card... Not easy to find...

Cheers,
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Not sure if this will do the job Arkay, but worth checking out - link

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