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Old 29th September 2006, 12:33 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Vista questions

Hi,

A few questions about Vista.

Will it come with DirectX 10 as standard in RC1 and build 5728?

Is there an option in Vista to dual boot XP MCE2005 and RC1 or 5728 and how much
space does it take up for a default installation?

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PS: Why can't MS let XP drivers work is what I'm reading.
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Old 29th September 2006, 01:48 AM   #2 (permalink)
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A few questions about Vista.

Will it come with DirectX 10 as standard in RC1 and build 5728?
Not sure, maybe someone else can shed light on this.

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Is there an option in Vista to dual boot XP MCE2005 and RC1 or 5728 and how much
space does it take up for a default installation?
You are best to run it in Virtual PC 2006/7, not out yet, this is the only compatible virtual PC (not sure about VMware) that will work with Vista. DO NOT dual boot with a Beta you have a 95% chance you will regret it.

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PS: Why can't MS let XP drivers work is what I'm reading.
Not entirely the case but won't go into it here...and your last comment...if you rely on system restore alone you are not understanding what you are up against...a full backup is essential and LiveState/Ghost is one of the best/quckest and complete ways to achieve this. Do you know you need an ASR disk for some system restore functions? If yes then do what you will if not you are waiting for a disaster to happen. Just trying to help.

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Re: Vista questions

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Is there an option in Vista to dual boot XP MCE2005 and RC1 or 5728 and how much
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Have been dual-booting all betas to date using different drives for XP and Vista, Vista drive takes up around 8Gb for Windows, rest of drive available to either XP or Vista.
 
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Re: Vista questions

I used a program called GParted to create a 20gb partition on my second hard drive, so I can boot into either XPMCE or Vista RC1. Yup it takes up about 8gb.

On Dxdiag it does say DirectX10, so unless it's just a placeholder to show that it'll be there in the final release, it's looking positive on this one. Haven't tried it with games yet, as I haven't gotten around to installing any on my Vista partition, but I will soon enough. Oblivion's probably the only game I could notice an improvement on, so I guess it'll be that...

All my drivers are working fine now. When I first installed Vista, Media Centre (Vista's, that is - 2005 was unaffected) couldn't find my tuner card. The next morning after automatic updates, everything was working. And since it's a separate drive, installing Vista drivers didn't affect my XP at all.
 
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Re: Vista questions

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Will it come with DirectX 10 as standard in RC1 and build 5728?
Yes, it comes with DirectX 10 as standard. Seems to work fine for all games I've tried (World of Warcraft, Age of Empires III, Half Life 2, Counter Strike Source, Tomb Raider Legend)

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Is there an option in Vista to dual boot XP MCE2005 and RC1 or 5728 and how much
space does it take up for a default installation?
If you install to a seperate partition or drive it'll dual boot just fine (many people are running it this way, and that's how I tried it on our Media PC). No ill effects at all (not sure where Warren13 gets his 95% chance of failure message).

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PS: Why can't MS let XP drivers work is what I'm reading.
Most XP drivers work just fine. I've now got all the hardware working on my Toshiba Laptop (including fingerprint scanner and bluetooth). The TV tuners I have (all digitalnow USB ones) work just fine with the MCE 2005 drivers.
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Re: Vista questions

So what you're saying is that it is possible, because I have a 65GB partition for MCE and about 10GB for Vista (on the same drive) and I can dual-boot?

Thanks odgregg. I haven't bothered getting all the Vista-compatible drivers, but when I install it I'll tell you how I went. of course all data like videos, music, pictures is getting backed up tonight.
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Re: Vista questions

I believe you'll need at least a 15GB partition for Vista (it may not let you install with less). But it'll tell you up front if you do need that much.
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Re: Vista questions

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So what you're saying is that it is possible, because I have a 65GB partition for MCE and about 10GB for Vista (on the same drive) and I can dual-boot?

Thanks odgregg. I haven't bothered getting all the Vista-compatible drivers, but when I install it I'll tell you how I went. of course all data like videos, music, pictures is getting backed up tonight.
Jesus Drew, you've just got 2005 working right & now you're tackling Vista? Sheesh mate, you're game!

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Re: Vista questions

That made me smile.

I delete entries from the registry (without backing up), I get rid of files and I haven't had any problems yet. But I am being careful

It's no fun if you don't experiment.
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Re: Vista questions

I would seriously just get myself a second drive. I also installed a program called Vista boot or something like that that allowed me to remove the references to Vista from the boot.ini so I could revert back to a single boot system (just XP) I like vista but with only two PC's high spec enough (one is MCE machine and the other has all my documents, music, videos etc) I aint game after it through 30gb worht of music into album art disarray.
 
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Re: Vista questions

I don't know if anyone else uses this utility but it is a great way to optomise your system the easy way and this company has just release a new version for Vista.

Totalidea Software: Tweak Windows Vista - Vista Tweaks - TweakVI - Tweak-VI - Tweak-Vista - TweakVista - TweakXP - Tweak-XP - Tweak XP - Registry - Regedit - Windows Tuning - Windows XP - Windows Vista - Tweaking - Optimize - Tweak - TweakUI - Outlook Backup - OutNote - Outlook Notes - Outlook Add-In

Tweak VI is the program for Vista.

This gives easy access to all areas of Vista and there is a free version to get a taste.

I had the same question about DirectX and with this utility I could easily access the DirectX Diag. tool to get the answer.

 
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Re: Vista questions

hey drew.

i took a screenshot from vista for ya. (actually...i'm running it on my laptop here at the moment. not as a media center...just as an operating system.)

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Re: Vista questions

I got Vista installed on 7.2GB!

Don't ask how, that's Ultimate Edition RC1 (5600).

I've included a screenshot.



http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n...gins/vista.jpg
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If you install to a seperate partition or drive it'll dual boot just fine (many people are running it this way, and that's how I tried it on our Media PC). No ill effects at all (not sure where Warren13 gets his 95% chance of failure message).
How many dual boot have you installed...this is what it comes down to as well as good management of them. I have been burnt on far too many occasions with dual boot since I started doing this with 98/2000 and later with 2000/XP. Virtual PC is much much better as you blow away one partition with a simple delete file. If you want to get out of a dual boot situation and go back to a completely stable environment...well I guess you better know where your CD is or have done it plenty of times before is all I can say.
 
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